Jester13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, J-23 said: Maybe it’s just me but the player I would be most excited about coming back from a deal like that is Kakko. Only 21, kid still has potential for a lot of upside. A change of scenery might be what he needs along with a coach like BB. Totally. The Big Apple could very well be overwhelming for a young guy and the completely wrong atmosphere, for all we know. Kakko on a young team like ours with a coach like Boudreau and a bigger role could be just what he needs. In the other hand, his numbers sure are underwhelming, so we do risk getting blinded by his draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laddie Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Totally. The Big Apple could very well be overwhelming for a young guy and the completely wrong atmosphere, for all we know. Kakko on a young team like ours with a coach like Boudreau and a bigger role could be just what he needs. In the other hand, his numbers sure are underwhelming, so we do risk getting blinded by his draft position. But the Vancouver market has been historically very kind to young prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, laddie said: But the Vancouver market has been historically very kind to young prospects? I'm thinking currently with Petey, Hughes, Podz, etc., and a supportive coach like Bruce. New York is a contender with players ahead of Kakko and Gerard Gallant as their coach, who isn't exactly known for being, well, a coach like Bruce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 I think the offer right now Is kakko+ lundqvist. I think Van is trying to get them to change lundqvist to Schneider. In the end I think both will compromise with kakko+ lundqvist+ 1st 2023 unprotected. I then think boeser will be traded for a similar but smaller return that fiala got. Something like jj peterka+ pick 28 Pearson traded for a 3rd That third we got from Pearson to a team to take Dickinson Mikey dipetro to mtl for a 4th Sign Malkin 7 mil 2 years Sign subban 4 years 4.7 mil Sign Evan Rodriguez 3 years 3.5 mil Sign Lazar 1 year 1 mil Hoglander pettersson Garland Kuzmenko Malkin Podkolzin Rodriguez Horvat Kakko Highmore lammiko Lazar Hughes schenn Oel Subban Rathbone Myers Lundqvist Demko Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 more sleeps. then we can open our presents? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: I think the offer right now Is kakko+ lundqvist. I think Van is trying to get them to change lundqvist to Schneider. In the end I think both will compromise with kakko+ lundqvist+ 1st 2023 unprotected. I then think boeser will be traded for a similar but smaller return that fiala got. Something like jj peterka+ pick 28 Pearson traded for a 3rd That third we got from Pearson to a team to take Dickinson Mikey dipetro to mtl for a 4th Sign Malkin 7 mil 2 years Sign subban 4 years 4.7 mil Sign Evan Rodriguez 3 years 3.5 mil Sign Lazar 1 year 1 mil Hoglander pettersson Garland Kuzmenko Malkin Podkolzin Rodriguez Horvat Kakko Highmore lammiko Lazar Hughes schenn Oel Subban Rathbone Myers Lundqvist Demko Martin So, for Miller you would accept a struggling 3rd line winger and a rhd prospect who doesn't even crack the lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, Jester13 said: So, for Miller you would accept a struggling 3rd line winger and a rhd prospect who doesn't even crack the lineup? That's like saying all Min got was a D prospect who doesn't even Crack the line up. Lundqvist is a similar prospect to faber and Kakko has a ton of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: 6 more sleeps. then we can open our presents? I want an extended Miller contract in my present. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: That's like saying all Min got was a D prospect who doesn't even Crack the line up. Lundqvist is a similar prospect to faber and Kakko has a ton of potential. I'm of the opinion that Minny lost that trade considerably, simply because Guerin can't bring back any roster players due to their cap situation, which he even said. Schneider has to be coming back or it's no deal with NY. Kakko I can stomach as a project/risk, but we absolutely must get a partner back to play with Hughes. We simply can't have every piece in the return be a gamble to pan out for us when this is a franchise defining move for the next wave/window of opportunity to build a contender. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, Jester13 said: I'm of the opinion that Minny lost that trade considerably, simply because Guerin can't bring back any roster players due to their cap situation, which he even said. Schneider has to be coming back or it's no deal with NY. Kakko I can stomach as a project/risk, but we absolutely must get a partner back to play with Hughes. We simply can't have every piece in the return be a gamble to pan out for us when this is a franchise defining move for the next wave/window of opportunity to build a contender. Honestly I think lundqvist would mesh with Hughes better than Schnieder playing style wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Honestly I think lundqvist would mesh with Hughes better than Schnieder playing style wise. Disagree. Our D is improperly structured already with too many offensively-minded players playing together. We need a steady defense-first player to compliment Hughes. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I want an extended Miller contract in my present. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Disagree. Our D is improperly structured already with too many offensively-minded players playing together. We need a steady defense-first player to compliment Hughes. You mean like Tanev? Thanks Benning I trust JR and the group he assembled to identify the right players to partner with Hughes and OEL. We might see a Boeser for Marino kind of deal. Or Garland for a guy. Miller too. Big changes coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 hours ago, N4ZZY said: I guess I’m saying that it’s a possibility, and the risk would be even that much greater. If Miller’s not traded by the trade deadline, there’s a great chance that the team loses him for absolutely nothing. That can’t happen. Having such a great asset and be able to flip him for current/future help, but then lose him for nothing? I don't think I can help you my friend. If you are unwilling to understand it's perfect normal for teams to go into a season with players who are on the final year... I just don't know. Good luck though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: I don't think I can help you my friend. If you are unwilling to understand it's perfect normal for teams to go into a season with players who are on the final year... I just don't know. Good luck though Miller coming to camp with no extension is very possible. If JR/PA are looking past this draft for assets for Miller then there's no pressure to get 2022 picks. It may help us to let the draft and free agency go before finally settling on a Miller extension too, let all the prices for guys like Strome and Kardri play out and then see where we stand. There's no reason Miller can't be moved after all that for 2023 picks and RFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 53 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: That's like saying all Min got was a D prospect who doesn't even Crack the line up. Lundqvist is a similar prospect to faber and Kakko has a ton of potential. Know who else had potential? Yakupov Virtanen Juolevi Potential is useless if effort isn't there. Lundkvist is tiny and ineffective for our needs. Another forsling type who will bounce between multiple teams before finding a home in an insulated role 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Know who else had potential? Yakupov Virtanen Juolevi Potential is useless if effort isn't there. Lundkvist is tiny and ineffective for our needs. Another forsling type who will bounce between multiple teams before finding a home in an insulated role I actually think there's still a very good player there. If the right coach gets him, he might be a great utility player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, stawns said: I actually think there's still a very good player there. If the right coach gets him, he might be a great utility player It's the lundqvist aspect I'm not sold on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: I actually think there's still a very good player there. If the right coach gets him, he might be a great utility player is that the new bar now for a Miller deal, getting a utility player? 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, JM_ said: is that the new bar now for a Miller deal, getting a utility player? I got my threads mixed up, I thought I was posting in the pool party discussion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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