[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks

[Me_]

1 minute ago, Shayster007 said:

You're the worst fan on these boards. Full stop. No real Canuck fan would ever say that. Once Miller is traded I'm sure you'll love what ever team you become a fan of then. 

 

Any nuggets of wisdom against the Twins?

The Twins have us incredible hockey and memories for generations to come.

[RWJC]

Just now, Me_ said:

That’s the guy who couldn’t deliver a Cup. 
 

That’s the guy who gave up his Captaincy to the Captain who beat him to the Cup.

 

That’s the guy who didn’t want to start the rebuild when Benning came in exactly for that. Three years wasted.

 

That’s El Douché indeed.

 

#notaleader

So is Bo a douche too? 
Stan Smyl?

by your rationale on that alone the NHL is filled with so many douchebag failures that it’s a joke of a league.

 

a real heart and soul captain surrenders the captaincy when they’re ordered to, despite every single ounce of loyalty and passion they have for their club. Are you actually trying to say Linden wussed out?!?

 

im gonna find and provide some articles with factual info to help broaden your knowledge on the Benning/Linden situation, if you’ll have it?

[MeanSeanBean]

12 minutes ago, Me_ said:

The Twins have us incredible hockey and memories for generations to come.

You called Linden based off 3 things. 2 are incorrect and entirely made up, 1 was not bringing a cup. The Sedins also didn't deliver us a cup. So beyond being a terrible Canuck fan you also have no integrity. Good to know.

 

Linden didn't prevent the rebuild, he litterally pushed for it to happen. He left because he was over ruled. This is fact. Because you say other wise doesn't make it true.

 

As for losing his C, in what world do the players decide who gets it. That's a management decision that Linden had zero say in. Again, not his fault. If Linden didn't hand over the C, he would have been stripped. Anyone could, and can see that. It's the exact reason why a real fan hates Keenan and knows to say F Messier.

 

I can't wait till Miller is traded and you become a Rangers fan.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Shayster007

[Me_]

8 minutes ago, RWJC said:

So is Bo a douche too? 
Stan Smyl?

by your rationale on that alone the NHL is filled with so many douchebag failures that it’s a joke of a league.

 

a real heart and soul captain surrenders the captaincy when they’re ordered to, despite every single ounce of loyalty and passion they have for their club. Are you actually trying to say Linden wussed out?!?

 

im gonna find and provide some articles with factual info to help broaden your knowledge on the Benning/Linden situation, if you’ll have it?

No one else. Just Linden.

 

Linden is a douche.

 

Same guy who predicted he’d win the draft lottery. 
 

It’s an effin’ LOTTERY ya douche.

 

Left there, pouting, wondering how he lost…

 

Idiocy at its finest. Gambling really…

Edited July 11, 2022 by Me_

[RWJC]

6 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

You called Linden based off 3 things. 2 are incorrect and entirely made up, 1 was not brining a cup. The Sedins also didn't deliver us a cup. So beyond being a terrible Canuck fan you also have no integrity. Good to know.

 

Linden didn't prevent the rebuild, he litterally pushed for it to happen. He left because he was over ruled. This is fact. Because you say other wise doesn't make it true.

 

As for losing his C, in what world do the players decide who gets it. That's a management decision that Linden had zero say in. Again, not is fault. 

 

I can't wait till Miller is traded and you become a Rangers fan.

Can we trade Me_ to another team message board? I’ll even just accept future considerations in return.

 

jk @Me_

 

i actually like this debate and will give you props for having the balls to say what you have. Either that or you need to get back on your meds, hah 

[MeanSeanBean]

1 minute ago, RWJC said:

Can we trade Me_ to another team message board? I’ll even just accept future considerations in return.

 

jk @Me_

 

i actually like this debate and will give you props for having the balls to say what you have. Either that or you need to get back on your meds, hah 

I'm actually happy we have had this conversation. There is part of me that would have been sad to see Miller traded because I know what it's like to have your favorite player traded. Now that I know Me isn't a real fan and just a troll, I don't have to feel bad at all! 

[Mustard Tiger]

14 minutes ago, Me_ said:

That’s the guy who couldn’t deliver a Cup. 
 

That’s the guy who gave up his Captaincy to the Captain who beat him to the Cup.

 

That’s the guy who didn’t want to start the rebuild when Benning came in exactly for that. Three years wasted.

 

That’s El Douché indeed.

 

#notaleader

Woah brotha, That's not even my era of hockey and I know this is false. You're about to get eaten alive! Rip Me_ 7/11/22

[Me_]

1 minute ago, Shayster007 said:

I'm actually happy we have had this conversation. There is part of me that would have been sad to see Miller traded because I know what it's like to have your favorite player traded. Now that I know Me isn't a real fan and just a troll, I don't have to feel bad at all! 

Oh I’m a fan of this team since 1994.

I saw them battle hard.

I loved Linden back then.

 

But when he gave up his Captaincy, that was the beginning of the end of the great legend that never was.

 

Then it was douchery et after douchery.

 

The Bure/ Linden fiasco

The Messier / Linden fiasco

The trade

Not wanting to rebuild 

That lottery sit-in that made him look like a loser…

 

Many aspects of that man rubs the wrong way.

[ilduce39]

If the Canucks wanted to go full rebuild how many 1sts could they get out the the Leafs for Demko?  I think 3.

[MeanSeanBean]

Just now, Me_ said:

Oh I’m a fan of this team since 1994.

I saw them battle hard.

I loved Linden back then.

 

But when he gave up his Captaincy, that was the beginning of the end of the great legend that never was.

 

Then it was douchery et after douchery.

 

The Bure/ Linden fiasco

The Messier / Linden fiasco

The trade

Not wanting to rebuild 

That lottery sit-in that made him look like a loser…

 

Many aspects of that man rubs the wrong way.

So you just think saying untrue things magically makes them true eh? I guess if it's good enough for the worst president of all time it's good enough for the worst Canucks fan of all time.

[MeanSeanBean]

4 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Woah brotha, That's not even my era of hockey and I know this is false. You're about to get eaten alive! Rip Me_ 7/11/22

The reason why even the new generation of Canucks fans know what to say before the word Messier, is the event Me is referring to. Except he somehow has it entirely backwards and is on the Messier/Keenan side. I'm honestly impressed a troll has survived so long on these fan boards without being found out. Might be a new record.

[RWJC]

18 minutes ago, Me_ said:

That’s the guy who couldn’t deliver a Cup. 
 

That’s the guy who gave up his Captaincy to the Captain who beat him to the Cup.

 

That’s the guy who didn’t want to start the rebuild when Benning came in exactly for that. Three years wasted.

 

That’s El Douché indeed.

 

#notaleader

Apologies to anyone for quickly going off topic and for the long read. (This is also partially an opinion piece @Me_ so I’m not using to justify argument. It’s to set up framework though).

At the same time, this article also remains relevant to where we are now and JTM situation:

 

https://canucksarmy.com/2022/01/23/what-canucks-trevor-linden-slower-rebuild/

 

What if the Canucks hadn’t parted ways with Trevor Linden and embarked on a slower rebuild?

JANUARY 23, 2022, 7:00 AM | BILL HUAN

Welcome to the first article of a new “what if?” series where we will be taking a look at how certain events in Canucks history might’ve altered the team’s trajectory if something different had happened.

There are an endless number of topics that can be covered, and we will be going through the Canucks’ entire existence, from the first iteration of the team (“what if the Canucks had won the 1970 draft lottery?”) to more recent events (“what if the Canucks hadn’t traded Cory Schneider?”).

Some topics will require multiple parts, and we will try and provide the likeliest outcome from different scenarios to be as unbiased as possible. However, many things will still be left to personal opinion, which is what makes this so fun; everyone will have different interpretations of certain events, and the debates that it’ll generate will be fascinating to follow.

In terms of injuries, we will operate under the assumption that players are still going to get hurt at the exact same time and in the same manner they did in real life, unless the event we’re covering specifically changes that. In an alternate universe, those injuries might not have happened, but something else might also occur, so it’ll be simpler just to go with the things that actually happened.

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Today, we will be looking at what might’ve happened if the team didn’t “amicably part ways” with former president Trevor Linden and embraced the more methodical rebuild that he reportedly wanted. For more recent what-ifs, we will be using Evolving-Hockey’sWins Above Replacement (WAR) stat that estimates how many wins a player contributes to their team to objectively predict where the club would’ve finished in the standings following roster changes.

Let’s get started.

Timeline of events

After finishing 28th and 29th, respectively, in the two previous seasons, then president of hockey operations Trevor Linden finally admitted that the Canucks were in a rebuild in April of 2017.

Just a year later, Linden parted ways with the team, with reports releasing soon after that he wanted to approach the rebuild in a different manner than the rest of the organization. With the Canucks frivolously trading away draft picks in the following seasons for veterans that helped the team in the short term, it seems clear that Linden wanted a slower, more methodical approach to rebuilding, while Jim Benning and perhaps even Francesco Aquilini preferred a quicker turnaround.

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But what if the Canucks had executed Linden’s vision instead? What if they had been more patient and didn’t give away future assets? As you’ll soon see, the club would have a lot more prospects in its pipeline, with the on-ice results likely being surprisingly similar to what happened in real life.

2018-19 season

Since Linden made his departure following the start of free agency, the Canucks still sign Antoine Roussel and Jay Beagle to their big contracts. As a result, the regular season plays out in the exact same manner, with both the Tanner Pearson and Jonathan Dahlen trades still happening at the deadline.

However, with the team looking to accumulate more assets, they deal both Ben Hutton and Markus Granlund away for a pair of 5th round picks. Since Hutton and Granlund are replacement level players, the team’s record stays the same at the season’s end and they still end up selecting Vasili Podkolzin with the 10th overall pick.

Roster turnover

IN: 0 WAR	OUT: -0.8 WAR
	BEN HUTTON (-0.8 WAR, ONLY PLAYED A HANDFUL OF GAMES AFTER THE DEADLINE SO THE CANUCKS’ RECORD DOESN’T CHANGE)
	MARKUS GRANLUND (0 WAR)

2019-20 season

2019 offseason

Outside of perhaps drafting Podkolzin, the biggest story of the Canucks’ 2019 offseason was the trade for J.T. Miller. But without the added pressure to make the playoffs, Benning doesn’t pull the trigger, meaning that the club will keep Marek Mazanec, its 2019 third-round pick, and also its 2020 first-round pick.

The Tyler Myers and Micheal Ferland signings still happen, though, since the Canucks would like to surround their young talent with some veterans and also make them harder to play against.

Regular season and qualifying round

With Ferland injured and Miller not on the team, the club decides to keep Sven Baertschi on its roster instead of sending him down to the AHL. The Swiss winger manages to have a relatively healthy season but doesn’t move the needle much.

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At the trade deadline, Benning considers trading away Chris Tanev and Jacob Markstrom, but decides to keep both players since the offers they receive are lacklustre. The team is also still within reach of a potential playoff spot, and although they’re not in a rush to make the postseason, they still value the chance to play meaningful games down the stretch.

Unsurprisingly, the Tyler Toffoli trade doesn’t take place, so the club gets to keep Tim Schaller, Tyler Madden, a 2020 second-round pick, and a conditional 2022 fourth-round pick. COVID, unfortunately, is so transmittable that it still happens in this alternate universe, and the Canucks end the shortened season as the 21st ranked team after losing five points without the combination of Miller and Toffoli.

Now the 10th seed in the West, Vancouver faces off against Calgary in the qualifying round and loses in a close five-game series. The only other change is that eight-seeded Winnipeg defeats Minnesota before losing to Dallas in the first round, and Calgary goes on to beat St. Louis and proceeds to lose to Vegas in the Western Conference semi-finals. The rest of the playoffs are unchanged, with Tampa Bay still winning against Dallas in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Roster turnover

IN: -0.2 WAR	OUT: 2.5 WAR
TIM SCHALLER (-0.1 WAR)	J.T. MILLER (1.9 WAR)
SVEN BAERTSCHI (-0.1 WAR)	TYLER TOFFOLI (0.6 WAR FOR VANCOUVER)
TYLER MADDEN (0 WAR)
MAREK MAZANEC (0 WAR)
2019 THIRD-ROUND PICK
2020 FIRST-ROUND PICK
2020 SECOND-ROUND PICK
2022 CONDITIONAL FOURTH-ROUND PICK

2020-21 season

2020 offseason

After being eliminated in the qualifying round, the Canucks are one of eight teams that has a chance of winning the first overall pick in the 2020 draft, but the Rangers still walk away with the prize. Since they’re now occupying the position that Minnesota was in, the Canucks select Marco Rossi with the 9th overall pick. In the second round, the club picks goaltender Joel Blomqvist with the 39th pick, who was highly regarded by Ian Clark.

Without having to worry about Toffoli’s impending free agency, the Canucks elect to focus on re-signing many of their own players. This results in a four-year, $17 million ($4.25 million AAV) deal for Tanev and a two-year, $3 million ($1.5 million AAV) contract for Troy Stecher as they both take slight discounts to stay in Vancouver. Markstrom still goes to Calgary to make way for Thatcher Demko, and Braden Holtby signs for the same deal that he did in real life (two years, $4.3 million AAV).

The gaping hole that Miller leaves on the wing is still too evident though, so Benning inks Mikael Granlund to a one-year, $4 million deal. Granlund, who was coming off a disappointing season in Nashville, wants to regain some of his value and is sold on the idea of playing on a young team with lots of offensive potential.

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Since Tanev and Stecher have both been brought back, there’s no need to trade for Nate Schmidt or sign Travis Hamonic anymore. With that said, Jake Virtanen is still rewarded with a two-year contract at an even higher AAV ($2.65 million per year) since his struggles in the bubble weren’t as noticeable without the Canucks going on a long playoff run.

Regular season

With many of the team’s free agents being brought back, the Canucks maintain their chemistry and outperform their real-life counterparts. In fact, they’re in a playoff spot at the trade deadline (but with games in hand) so Benning once again decides to keep pending UFA Tanner Pearson.

The COVID outbreak still occurs though, and Adam Gaudette gets traded for Matthew Highmore. In the end, the team misses the postseason by just two points, adding close to three wins to their record with the moves made in the 2020 offseason.

Roster turnover

IN: 3 WAR	OUT: 0.1 WAR
CHRIS TANEV (2.1 WAR)	J.T. MILLER (0.6 WAR)
MIKAEL GRANLUND (0.1 WAR)	TRAVIS HAMONIC (-0.2 WAR)
TROY STECHER (0.8 WAR)	NATE SCHMIDT (-0.3 WAR)

2021-22 season

2021 offseason

Having finished 20th in the league with 56 points (as opposed to 50 in actuality), the Canucks manage to land the 12th overall pick in the 2021 draft and select Matthew Coronato. The team doesn’t sign Tucker Poolman or trade for Oliver Ekman-Larsson and Connor Garland because they’re perfectly content to keep Loui Player Name, Beagle and Roussel until all their deals expire next summer.

Without all the turmoil that happened the previous year in real life, Holtby stays on the team and actually goes through a small resurgent. Alex Edler also re-signs for one year at $3 million and Granlund is rewarded with a four-year, $20.6 million ($5.15 million AAV) contract too. With Granlund staying, the club decides to let Pearson test free agency.

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A few things stay the same, though: Virtanen is bought out once again and the Jason Dickinson trade and signing still takes place. Meanwhile, Elias Pettersson inks the same deal having been injured for most of the previous season. On the other hand, Quinn Hughes gets a slight raise since his defensive game doesn’t take a dip with Tanev as his partner. The 22-year-old signs a 6 year, $49.5 million ($8.25 million AAV) deal instead, and the only other player added to the backend is Brad Hunt.

With just a bit over a million left in cap space — Benning’s propensity to spend to the cap spans the entire multiverse — and still lacking credible middle-six wingers, the team elects to take a flier on Michael Bunting and signs him to a two-year, $2.25 million ($1.125 million AAV) deal. This also means that Brandon Sutter needs to find a new home since the Canucks will still have Jay Beagle as their fourth-line centre.

Regular season

Before the start of the year, both Player Name and Roussel are buried in the minors, but Beagle stays with the big club. With the current season not even halfway finished, it’s hard to say where the Canucks will ultimately place in the standings. Even so, the hypothetical moves that happened in the offseason actually result in the team having two more points than they do in real life. This also means that neither Benning nor Travis Green gets fired, as expectations are much lower and the club is surprisingly performing better as well.

Roster turnover

IN: 5.3 WAR	OUT: 4.2 WAR
MIKAEL GRANLUND (1.2 WAR)	J.T. MILLER (0.8 WAR)
BRADEN HOLTBY (1.6 WAR)	JAROSLAV HALAK (0.5 WAR)
TROY STECHER (0.3 WAR)	TANNER PEARSON (1.1 WAR)
CHRIS TANEV (1.1 WAR)	LUKE SCHENN (0.3 WAR)
ALEX EDLER (0.6 WAR)	OLIVER EKMAN-LARSSON (-0.1 WAR)
MICHAEL BUNTING (1 WAR)	CONOR GARLAND (1.6 WAR)
JAY BEAGLE (-0.5 WAR)	BRANDON SUTTER (0 WAR)
	TUCKER POOLMAN (0 WAR)

 

So, there you have it! The Canucks would actually have more success over the past year had they executed Linden’s reported vision of a slower rebuild while having blue-chip prospects like Rossi and Coronato in the pipeline as well.

 

[Baratheon]

 

[J-23]

Someone is looking for attention…

[N4ZZY]

17 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Agreed. Regardless of whether or not you feel he should be traded or resigned, the worst case scenario is that he comes into our camp without a new contract. If he isn't either moved or resigned during the offseason it'll be a huge fail for the new management group.

That would be the worse case scenario if Miller came into camp without a new contract or traded. Not even to say that Miller’s situation would be a huge distraction, how is that even good for the team, let alone the locker room? And how does Miller himself respond in that situation? If he doesn’t handle the situation well, it just further degrades his value as a cancer in the locker room. Which team is going to want to give premium assets for that?

 

[R3aL]

anyone think Seth jones is available?

[N4ZZY]

6 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Someone is looking for attention…

Who’s that?

 

[Harold Drunken]

22 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Can we trade Me_ to another team message board? I’ll even just accept future considerations in return.

 

jk @Me_

 

i actually like this debate and will give you props for having the balls to say what you have. Either that or you need to get back on your meds, hah 

Not so much a debate, more of a slaughter but ok lol

[J-23]

3 minutes ago, R3aL said:

anyone think Seth jones is available?

Maybe, but what would you give up. Chicago is full tank mode, they would likely want picks and prospects.
 

Also, do you want to take on that cap hit and term?

 

[N4ZZY]

3 minutes ago, R3aL said:

anyone think Seth jones is available?

For a monster deal that he signed? We wouldn’t have the cap space regardless. 

 

I’d love Jones to be in blue and green. But it’s not happening.