Nucker 67 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Lots of BOS trade suggestions. Is that the team he's going to? My guess is CBJ. They really need a Top 6C, especially after bringing in Gaudreau. Not expecting the world Roslovic, Bean and 2nd (2022) Other teams know VAN is hooped and Bo doesn't want to stay. Teams are going to lowball and I'm not confident in Allvin to hit a home run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'd say the package needs to be: Lysell 1st Carlo Debrusk Yes it sounds like a lot, but how often does a guy like Horvat come along just about to enter his prime and scoring at a 50 goal rate as a centre capable of taking all of the most important faceoffs for the team... Adding Debrusk gives us the flexibility to sell Boeser for dirt cheap as Debrusk can play those minutes for less cap. He might not even interest Boston as a rental and he is unlikely to play ahead of Bergeron. Canucks don't plan on giving teams permission to talk to him about an extension - ie he would be traded as a pure rental per Dhaliwal/Drance. Boston is top of the league - not sure they would even want to disrupt their chemistry. He is shooting at 22% - that doesn't feel sustainable. He's not a playmaker either. Edited December 13, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Lots of BOS trade suggestions. Is that the team he's going to? My guess is CBJ. They really need a Top 6C, especially after bringing in Gaudreau. Not expecting the world Roslovic, Bean and 2nd (2022) Other teams know VAN is hooped and Bo doesn't want to stay. Teams are going to lowball and I'm not confident in Allvin to hit a home run. CBJ is a great fit for Bo. Little Johnny (Garden Gnome) is a very good play driver from wing. Bo is a straight line, goal scoring (not playmaking) center. The return would need to be a lot better than what's suggested though. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Yea, not interested in debrusk. Carlo is fine but he’s also got concussion issues- there’s a reason Boston would rather part with him than forbort. Bidding needs to start somewhere like: 1. Carlo 2. 2023 1st 3. Good prospect I just don't see the point of Carlo, would rather someone younger. I do agree that any trade has to involve a first. A good prospect, D, would be good. And rather than a throw in long shot prospect, would rather recoup a second for next year. Edited December 13, 2022 by rekker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, mll said: He might not even interest Boston as a rental and he unlikely to play ahead of Bergeron. Canucks don't plan on giving teams permission to talk to him about an extension - ie he would be traded as a pure rental per Dhaliwal/Drance. Boston is top of the league - not sure they would even want to disrupt their chemistry. He is shooting at 22% - that doesn't feel sustainable. He's not a playmaker either. True, I guess it depends on how big of a role they feel Debrusk and Carlo are to their recent success. If it means having Bergeron and Horvat down the middle for 60% possession off draws on either side of the ice, it might be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Lots of BOS trade suggestions. Is that the team he's going to? My guess is CBJ. They really need a Top 6C, especially after bringing in Gaudreau. Not expecting the world Roslovic, Bean and 2nd (2022) Other teams know VAN is hooped and Bo doesn't want to stay. Teams are going to lowball and I'm not confident in Allvin to hit a home run. Canucks apparently are looking to trade him as a rental per Dhaliwal/Drance. So can't see teams out of the playoffs making a move for him. Can't see Horvat wanting to extend in Columbus either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Alflives said: CBJ is a great fit for Bo. Little Johnny (Garden Gnome) is a very good play driver from wing. Bo is a straight line, goal scoring (not playmaking) center. The return would need to be a lot better than what's suggested though. Jiricek would need to be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Lots of BOS trade suggestions. Is that the team he's going to? My guess is CBJ. They really need a Top 6C, especially after bringing in Gaudreau. Not expecting the world Roslovic, Bean and 2nd (2022) Other teams know VAN is hooped and Bo doesn't want to stay. Teams are going to lowball and I'm not confident in Allvin to hit a home run. If Allvin does not get excellent quality back for Horvat then this the trust in this mgmt team will evaporate quickly. The botched the Miller situation last year and then panic signed him over Horvat. I wanted Mgmt to trade both Jo vat and Miller at the TDL/draft last year to maximize value. If it ends up that they are in a situation where they have locked up Miller long-term and have waited too long on Horvat, therefore killing trade value/leverage for both, then questions about competency need to be asked. Pressure is squarely on Allvin and he needs to deliver - solicit offers and make a decision in January before the market dilutes (make Horvat the asset every team needs) Edited December 13, 2022 by 5nothincanucksohno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, mll said: Canucks apparently are looking to trade him as a rental per Dhaliwal/Drance. So can't see teams out of the playoffs making a move for him. Can't see Horvat wanting to extend in Columbus either. The Avs, Rags, seem like a fit for Bo, and have assets we covet. I don't see why JR would pigeon hole himself by only offering BO up as a rental. Unless instructed by Bo and his agent. Maybe a grand scheme to get assets for Bo and then re-sign, lol. One can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Trade players now: They won't get injured and prevent trading later The team either gets better, with new guys, and makes the play offs or the team gets worse, for awhile, and misses the playoffs by enough to get a good draft pick. Do Something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, rekker said: The Avs, Rags, seem like a fit for Bo, and have assets we covet. I don't see why JR would pigeon hole himself by only offering BO up as a rental. Unless instructed by Bo and his agent. Maybe a grand scheme to get assets for Bo and then re-sign, lol. One can dream. Ya seems like a strange approach unless they hope to take a shot at resigning him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 People are going to be so disappointed with the returns for our players. we have no leverage. boeser asked to be moved and he already had a depleted value horvat just turned down a 8m contract essentially saying trade me. last years TDL the draft and summer where the time to move now it’s a yard sale other GMs aren’t going to help us. horvat 50% with retained should/might get a bidding war but Really he’s a rental. He won’t be going to a non playoff tram unless he agrees to a contract I don’t see him doing that. like usual they waited till they had no or limited options now we’ll take what we can…. the trade proposals are fantasy land level. I’m not sure what I’m more excited for the trades or the CDC meltdown. my favorites are people that constantly say how bad a player is or all the hinge wrong with them then there upset we didn’t get enough…..lolololol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: CBJ is a great fit for Bo. Little Johnny (Garden Gnome) is a very good play driver from wing. Bo is a straight line, goal scoring (not playmaking) center. The return would need to be a lot better than what's suggested though. Horvat doesn't share the puck though and Gaudreau needs the puck to drive the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, combover said: People are going to be so disappointed with the returns for our players. we have no leverage. boeser asked to be moved and he already had a depleted value horvat just turned down a 8m contract essentially saying trade me. last years TDL the draft and summer where the time to move now it’s a yard sale other GMs aren’t going to help us. horvat 50% with retained should/might get a bidding war but Really he’s a rental. He won’t be going to a non playoff tram unless he agrees to a contract I don’t see him doing that. like usual they waited till they had no or limited options now we’ll take what we can…. the trade proposals are fantasy land level. I’m not sure what I’m more excited for the trades or the CDC meltdown. my favorites are people that constantly say how bad a player is or all the hinge wrong with them then there upset we didn’t get enough…..lolololol. I think the leverage is the quality of the player involved here. At worst Horvat gives a team a 40 to 50 goal centre that can win upwards of 60% of the draws he takes. He also brings good speed and size to a roster. He's also found a niche as one of the best bumper guys on the PP in the entire league. The leverage is if contender team X doesn't trade for him, contender team Y might and could be a huge difference maker in the playoffs (which Horvat has proven as well in the past). Pitting teams against one another is the leverage. Boeser is gonna be a dump of some sort. There's no leverage there IMO. The quality of the player isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, mll said: He might not even interest Boston as a rental and he is unlikely to play ahead of Bergeron. Canucks don't plan on giving teams permission to talk to him about an extension - ie he would be traded as a pure rental per Dhaliwal/Drance. Boston is top of the league - not sure they would even want to disrupt their chemistry. He is shooting at 22% - that doesn't feel sustainable. He's not a playmaker either. At 15% shooting and at his current shots per game rate, he'd hit 40+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon.Duck Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think the leverage is the quality of the player involved here. At worst Horvat gives a team a 40 to 50 goal centre that can win upwards of 60% of the draws he takes. He also brings good speed and size to a roster. He's also found a niche as one of the best bumper guys on the PP in the entire league. The leverage is if contender team X doesn't trade for him, contender team Y might and could be a huge difference maker in the playoffs (which Horvat has proven as well in the past). Pitting teams against one another is the leverage. Boeser is gonna be a dump of some sort. There's no leverage there IMO. The quality of the player isn't there. At worst he’s a 40-50 goal Centre? look, I’m all for pumping tires here, but let’s not kid ourselves. Horvat will probably top out on average around 30 goals, which is a lot. But it isn’t 40-50 consistently. I like the guy, but his production right now is a distinct outlier. Other teams will not be giving us a return for a 50 goal scorer. Edited December 13, 2022 by Oregon.Duck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 If it really has come down to Bo not accepting what the Canucks can offer then moving him soon er than later makes sense. He is a known quantity, teams know what they get from him. Sadly we chose Miller over Bo. I think that may be an error but who knows. Trading this player needs to be done soon as the worst case scenario is he gets hurt and cannot finish the season thus leaving him as less trade value or can walk for nothing. I dont care what team we trade him to just get back what we need to improve this team. RHD in some form of decent quality.Cap space is a plus but really if it solved a glaring weakness id take no cap space and a player that helps us win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 11 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Agree. I'm sure his leadership has been under some scrutiny and he's now been insulted by the GM. It's now or never for this management to get some return. For those of you saying wait for the trade deadline......I get it, but history says Canucks on the trade block have an unfortunate habit of getting injured before the trade deadline. If there's a seriously good package now, do it.....or rather there is not a seriously good package right now. We will not et a seriously good package for bo - think late first, A- prospect, 3rd line winger, we would be lucky to get a 3C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, HKSR said: At 15% shooting and at his current shots per game rate, he'd hit 40+. He plays bumper on the Canucks' PP where he has 8 of his 20 goals. Would he even get that role on another team. Canucks are also pushing for offence and give up a lot of chances the other way. It's typically easier to produce if the D-side of the game is forgotten vs playing the right way and being on the right side of the puck. It really doesn't feel like he will be able to sustain his scoring pace on a more structured team and a different role/setup on the PP. Edited December 13, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I think management really F'd up re-signing Miller. Looking at captain Bo before every home game, he's interactive with the fans, giving pucks away, signing stuff. He learned from the Sedins, how important the fans are. And if they trade Schenn, well, there goes the toughness and the guy willing do what it takes for the team. And if Boeser goes as well, I can see Pettersson not re-signing here in 2024. What the heck will the team look like if that all happens? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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