[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[SilentSam]

52 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Bo has not "only just showed up" cut that bull shit. 

Your the one feeding it.

 

lots of centers with above average FO percentage..   

JP Pageau,  for example, who I hope we trade Bo for, including Romanov.

 

I get your love for him.

 

But this is the player to trade now..  by his own design.

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Your the one feeding it.

 

lots of centers with above average FO percentage..   

JP Pageau,  for example, who I hope we trade Bo for, including Romanov.

 

I get your love for him.

 

But this is the player to trade now..  by his own design.

If we can get Romanov and Pageau for Bo that’s huge for us.  

[Alflives]

48 minutes ago, Screw said:

Man. I hope the team starts to stockpile draft picks.  Only way I see forward for them.

Our owner will not allow that direction.  Sadly. 

[aGENT]

18 hours ago, Fanuck said:

So we should've rebuilt for a decade and didn't,  then all of a sudden ownership decides to rebuild and hires a GM out of retirement, who then blocks the attempted rebuild. 

 

 

I mean we don't really need a FULL tear down rebuild, so I get the assessment to retool (and I think it's silly people think Rutherford would allow himself to be lead around to the degree some here do).

 

Guys I'd keep and retool around:

 

Mik, Pettersson, Kuz

____, Horvat, ____ 

Podkolzin, ____, Hoglander

Lazar, Aman, Studnicka/Joshua

 

Hughes, ____

OEL, Bear

Dermott, Schenn/Poolman(healthy)

Stillman, Burroughs

 

We desperately need a 3C and a top 4 RHD (two if we could more ideally push Bear to 3rd pair...boy that Zub signing stings) and of course this is dependent on the bolded Horvat and Kuz extending...but that's really not that undo-able. For all the whinging, we're really not that far off from a better team with much better fits throughout the lineup.

 

And those 4th liners and bottom 4 D are all pretty fluid (I'm not suggesting we keep them at all costs).

 

It gets a bit tricky in that guys like Myers/Pearson aren't likely moveable until next year and we don't know what's happening with Horvat/Kuz...but all in due time. We need a couple more fast, younger, two way guys with size like Mik on wing in the middle 6 subbed out for the likes of Boeser, Garland, Pearson and Miller. But wingers are the easiest pieces to acquire and we have a few developing to help fill that in as well. This is where management is likely looking to make those "hockey trades" IMO. You swap out a 25+ goal/60 point ceiling guy like Boeser for lower offensive ceiling but faster/grittier/better defensively ~20 goal/45 point guy for example.

 

Beyond that, we need to keep improving and deepening our prospect pool.

 

Now, like I said, Kuz and Horvat especially extending (or not) complicate matters. I'd far rather see us move Miller and extend Bo...but I may not get my wish on that. Unfortunately that ship may have sailed last summer sadly. And in that case, we'll have to see what management does to pivot there. That happening may force us to re-something deeper than they planned. That said, Horvat and Kuz going at the TDL likely brings back some solid pieces to kick start that as well (Horvat for Drury, Morrow and 1st/Seeley or similar for example).

 

I get the impatience...I think they F'd up this summer with extending Miller, missing out on Marino, and likely extending Bo closer to $7, and this "hockey" they're presently playing is next to unwatchable nor leading us anywhere near playoffs or a cup this season. But we're going to have to wait until closer to the TDL unfortunately before we start seeing things take shape and likely next year before we get better fits than Myers and Pearson.

[canuck73_3]

19 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Your the one feeding it.

 

lots of centers with above average FO percentage..   

JP Pageau,  for example, who I hope we trade Bo for, including Romanov.

 

I get your love for him.

 

But this is the player to trade now..  by his own design.

That's an assumption, no different than people assuming JT would bolt instead of extending cause he's American.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

That's an assumption, no different than people assuming JT would bolt instead of extending cause he's American.

I thought ther3 was little chance JT extends with us.  Not because he’s American, but because he has no permanent home in our city.  Wrong.  He not only signed here, but he did for a great deal for us.  I’m thinking we will re-sign Bo soon too.  Similar contract to JT.  56 million, but over 8 years. 

[garthsbutcher]

Ill drive Bo the airport for the right return

[R3aL]

36 minutes ago, Muttley said:

The one that sparks some interest on this is the one that has the Canucks getting Seth Jarvis, Stefan Noesen, Scott Morrow + 2023 third. That's just one.

There may be many really good, logical deals for the Canucks that could be much better as long as Canuck's management isn't hell bent on instantaneous

quick fix results that are for the present only. 

With a generally good proven record all through his career, Horvat should garner a excellent return. 

Feels like our market has wanted Scott Morrow for a very long time.

 

If we do acquire him through trade and sign Livingstone.

 

Having:

 

Morrow

Johansson

Livingstone

 

As 3 up and coming RHD prospect to compete and push each other and replace the likes of Myers/Schenn/Bear in the future would be a good thing. Not bad from having only Myrenberg and Woo last season.

 

[canuck73_3]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I thought ther3 was little chance JT extends with us.  Not because he’s American, but because he has no permanent home in our city.  Wrong.  He not only signed here, but he did for a great deal for us.  I’m thinking we will re-sign Bo soon too.  Similar contract to JT.  56 million, but over 8 years. 

I thought it was 50/50, but I've always maintained if it came down to picking one of JT or Bo that Bo is the one to keep.

[Alflives]

14 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said:

Ill drive Bo the airport for the right return

I’ll pay for your gas if we get the kind of return Keenan did for Linden. 

[Fanuck]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I’m thinking we will re-sign Bo soon too.  Similar contract to JT.  56 million, but over 8 years. 

I'm not against signing Bo.

 

But my question is how are we going to be any better if we continue with essentially the exact same group of players minus a couple peripheral guys here/there?

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, R3aL said:

Feels like our market has wanted Scott Morrow for a very long time.

 

If we do acquire him through trade and sign Livingstone.

 

Having:

 

Morrow

Johansson

Livingstone

 

As 3 up and coming RHD prospect to compete and push each other and replace the likes of Myers/Schenn/Bear in the future would be a good thing. Not bad from having only Myrenberg and Woo last season.

 

I think we could get Morrow as a minor piece in a Bo trade.  But the main piece would likely be Kotkaniemi. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Fanuck said:

I'm not against signing Bo.

 

But my question is how are we going to be any better if we continue with essentially the exact same group of players minus a couple peripheral guys here/there?

Maybe our owner thinks our current core 5 (Demko, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Bo) is good enough to be a winner if they are surrounded by a really good supporting cast?  And it’s JR’s job (over the final two years of his three year contract) to get that to happen.  

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, Fanuck said:

I'm not against signing Bo.

 

But my question is how are we going to be any better if we continue with essentially the exact same group of players minus a couple peripheral guys here/there?

I don't think we can keep both (one of many reasons to move Miller last spring/summer) but I think people would be surprised by swapping some of Boeser/Garland/Pearsson out in our mid 6 for faster, bigger two way guys that can actually support the puck/play D/PK/add grit and "pushback" etc. Even if they don't have as high of offensive ceilings.

 

Hopefully one of those swaps is a legit 3C too.

 

Beyond that, exchanging an ill fitting Myers next year for someone more in the mold of a Tanev/Cernak/Carlo/Marino etc starts pushing us in the right direction as well.

[4petesake]

11 minutes ago, R3aL said:

Feels like our market has wanted Scott Morrow for a very long time.

 

If we do acquire him through trade and sign Livingstone.

 

Having:

 

Morrow

Johansson

Livingstone

 

As 3 up and coming RHD prospect to compete and push each other and replace the likes of Myers/Schenn/Bear in the future would be a good thing. Not bad from having only Myrenberg and Woo last season.

 

I like this package. If not Morrow I’d look at Alexander Nikishin being involved also.

[jyu]

8 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

I'm not against signing Bo.

 

But my question is how are we going to be any better if we continue with essentially the exact same group of players minus a couple peripheral guys here/there?

Your question is hitting the crux of the matter. the bottom line is, we need to improve the on-ice product and that means replacing one or more of the core/high salary players.

 

It's either Bo or Miller. Miller is on a contract beyond this season while Bo isn't. So it is reasonable to think that Bo is the one that will be moved. 

 

Whether that's the right decision is a different topic of discussion.

 

[Gurn]

59 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

46 points in a 53 game year durring Covid ..

 

stretch it however you like Gurn..

 

Stretch it the other way and he is 

244 points in 243 games with the Canucks.

 

Get over the “school teaching” and realize this is the best player we’ve had in this Org for quite some time.

 

ps,  Boeser and Horvat will decline more rapidly, and still,  at a lesser average than Miller over the next 3-4 seasons.

 

 

Accuracy- for the win.

He has not been here for 5 seasons

And he was not a point a game player  those 4 years.

 

Speaking of stretching- Had you said "4 years, averaging over a point  a point a game" you would have been correct.

Also- opinion wise Miller is not the best player we've had in a long time.

that would be 

E.P

Hughes

Demko

Horvat

then probably Miller. ymmv

 

 

[jyu]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe our owner thinks our current core 5 (Demko, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Bo) is good enough to be a winner if they are surrounded by a really good supporting cast?  And it’s JR’s job (over the final two years of his three year contract) to get that to happen.  

Francesco needs to understand that we simply don't have the assets to trade to acquire such supporting cast nor do we have the cap space to acquire UFA or take advantage of cap crunched teams. In fact, we are the very team that is cap crunched.

 

So, the only way left is to acquire such supporting cast is through the draft. Well, that takes year unless we are talking about Bedard or if we find a diamond in the rough that makes the NHL in a relatively short time.

 

Bo is up this season. Petey up after the next season. Miller will be 31-32 by then. 

 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Accuracy- for the win.

He has not been here for 5 seasons

And he was not a point a game player  those 4 years.

 

Speaking of stretching- Had you said "4 years, averaging over a point  a point a game" you would have been correct.

Also- opinion wise Miller is not the best player we've had in a long time.

that would be 

E.P

Hughes

Demko

Horvat

then probably Miller. ymmv

 

 

What makes Bo overthe Miller time here the better of two?  Miller is a consistent ppg player, who makes those around him better offensively.  Love Bo, but he’s not been the level of Miller.  

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, jyu said:

Francesco needs to understand that we simply don't have the assets to trade to acquire such supporting cast nor do we have the cap space to acquire UFA or take advantage of cap crunched teams. In fact, we are the very team that is cap crunched.

 

So, the only way left is to acquire such supporting cast is through the draft. Well, that takes year unless we are talking about Bedard or if we find a diamond in the rough that makes the NHL in a relatively short time.

 

Bo is up this season. Petey up after the next season. Miller will be 31-32 by then. 

 

I agree, but I doubt our owner changes his beliefs after almost 20 years of pushing the same doctrine.