mll Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, HKSR said: Funny how it took Sid and Malkin 9 years before winning a Cup... (2 years after JR arrived on the scene). Their 1st Cup was under Shero - Crosby was in his 4th season and Malkin in his 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Hearing Dean Lombardi is being considered. Would love to see a management staff that has: POHO: Rutherford GM: Lombardi Coach: Boudreau THAT is a lot of experience and winning pedigree. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, fanofvan said: Uhhh, no, he isn’t. Lots knocked Benning for bad trades and bad contracts, well check these doozies out: -Jack Johnson 5 year, $16.25m; -Brandon Tanev 6 years, $18m; -Marcus Pettersson 5 years, $20m; -Jusso Riikola 2 years, $1.15m -Traded Hornqvist for Mike Matheson, who had 6 years, $4.875m per left; -Traded Pearson for Gudbranson; -Traded Sundqvist and a 1st for Reaves and a 2nd; -Traded Gustavsson and a 1st for Brassard. That’s just a small sampling. He also had a tendency to trade a ton of draft picks; particularly 1st rounders. I never said Rutherford was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, mll said: Their 1st Cup was under Shero - Crosby was in his 4th season and Malkin in his 3rd. Right, forgot about that one. But yeah, it was still a 7 year gap between Cup wins, then Rutherford had them win back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whcanuck Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 The man has 3 Stanley Cup titles as a GM, he’s in the Hockey Hall of Fame. This is a guy I definitely want in our organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I think we now know why Bruce was suddenly hired. Hired before the GM was in place. Rutherford probably wanted him and he new that the Flyers would grab him. Rutherford is connected. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: At least those guys are legit nhl players though and add some toughness. I am still trying to figure out how you can slag Rutherford for those guys while crying we didn’t keep the guy who acquired Vey, Clendening, Baertschi, Vesey, Boyd, Sutter, LE, Beagle, Roussel, Hunt, etc. Which of those guys added much of anything especially vs what most of them were paid? But why hire someone who has the same deficiencies as the last guy…yet has been doing it way longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, fanofvan said: Uhhh, no, he isn’t. Lots knocked Benning for bad trades and bad contracts, well check these doozies out: -Jack Johnson 5 year, $16.25m; -Brandon Tanev 6 years, $18m; -Marcus Pettersson 5 years, $20m; -Jusso Riikola 2 years, $1.15m -Traded Hornqvist for Mike Matheson, who had 6 years, $4.875m per left; -Traded Pearson for Gudbranson; -Traded Sundqvist and a 1st for Reaves and a 2nd; -Traded Gustavsson and a 1st for Brassard. That’s just a small sampling. He also had a tendency to trade a ton of draft picks; particularly 1st rounders. Which is exactly what SC contending teams do, which he won 2 of in the last decade... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, whcanuck said: The man has 3 Stanley Cup titles as a GM, he’s in the Hockey Hall of Fame. This is a guy I definitely want in our organization Some CDCers seem to think a great GM is perfect and never makes a single bad trade, a single bad signing, and must be able to draft 3 or 4 players that play in the NHL every year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, AV. said: I never said Rutherford was great. You said he was night and day better than Benning…I’d argue he isn’t. Slightly better, yes, but astronomically, no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, fanofvan said: Uhhh, no, he isn’t. Lots knocked Benning for bad trades and bad contracts, well check these doozies out: -Jack Johnson 5 year, $16.25m; -Brandon Tanev 6 years, $18m; -Marcus Pettersson 5 years, $20m; -Jusso Riikola 2 years, $1.15m -Traded Hornqvist for Mike Matheson, who had 6 years, $4.875m per left; -Traded Pearson for Gudbranson; -Traded Sundqvist and a 1st for Reaves and a 2nd; -Traded Gustavsson and a 1st for Brassard. That’s just a small sampling. He also had a tendency to trade a ton of draft picks; particularly 1st rounders. Potential POHO candidates don't come without baggage. This one also came with three Stanley Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whcanuck Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, HKSR said: Some CDCers seem to think a great GM is perfect and never makes a single bad trade, a single bad signing, and must be able to draft 3 or 4 players that play in the NHL every year... So accurate, even the best GMs make errors. He made some awesome moves when he got to Pittsburgh. He gets a huge chunk of the credit for those back to back Cup wins. He acquired Kessel, Hornqvist, Bonino & Hagelin…all key contributors to their Cup teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 So I guess he's going to trade Sutter again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Which is exactly what SC contending teams do, which he won 2 of in the last decade... Huh? That makes zero sense. He gave away a ton of garbage contracts and made bad trades, which lots knocked Benning for. Inheriting a team with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury helps win cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, appleboy said: I think we now know why Bruce was suddenly hired. Hired before the GM was in place. Rutherford probably wanted him and he new that the Flyers would grab him. Rutherford is connected. Right decision was made. Imagine if the new GM wanted Boudreau and the Flyers had taken him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odd. Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 I really hope we don’t get Botteril…. Traded OReilly, Kane, etc for nothing basically and wasted picks for Wayne Simmons, Frolik, and Vesey… Guy is terrible. I hope we get Dean Lombardi 1 1 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Their isn't a Sydney Crosby here. There is a Hughes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 The thing I like about this signing is that we now have a member of management that's connected. We're not an outsider looking in any more, if that makes any sense. I am worried about the GM position though. I really don't want Botterill. Not only is his resume meh at best, but it would also mean that Rutherford just went ahead and hired one of his buddies instead of looking for the best person for the job. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, dougieL said: So I guess he's going to trade Sutter again? Well he does historically get a good return for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Some CDCers seem to think a great GM is perfect and never makes a single bad trade, a single bad signing, and must be able to draft 3 or 4 players that play in the NHL every year... Its like chess. You throw the odd stinker out there to entice further deals later. At least I hope that is what he was doing. Dumb like a fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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