[Report] Canucks hire Derek Clancey as assistant GM

[steviewonder20]

Tulsky or MacFarland for GM would be great.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, mll said:

 

Derek Clancey, 52, joins the Canucks after working most of his NHL career with the Pittsburgh Penguins between 2007 and 2021. As Assistant GM, Clancey will work closely with Rutherford and will oversee the Canucks professional and amateur scouting staffs.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, tas said:

as has been pointed out repeatedly, the draft is handled by the amateur scouts, not pro. 

My question is why involve Clancey with the amateur side now? 

[ShawnAntoski]

2 hours ago, Jester13 said:

Because Canucks fans.

 

I think it was Corey Hirsch on the Donnie and Dhali show, but I could be mistaken. 

Yeah, not sure what Hirsch is all about, when he is leaking privy informations ?  Cause stunts like this, is not really helping his public image - imo.

Edited December 16, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Jester13]

Just now, ShawnAntoski said:

Yeah, not sure what Hirsch is all about, when he is leaking privy informations ?  Cause he is looking, like an attention whore.  

He's part of the media, and the current discussion in Canuckland has been all about the past and current regimes. He has insight and shares it, just like anyone else. Guys like Hirsch also get information from insiders simply to leak on their behalf. Hirsch sharing that information could easily have come from someone wanting everyone to know some of the other - less talked about - reasons why Benning was getting let go (such as isolating himself from his team), which also sets up the narrative nicely for the new regime to come in. If you notice, it also fits well with how we keep hearing the new narrative about JR building a collaborative team approach; a stark contrast to Benning.

 

To hate on Hirsch, I think, is a very harsh take on the matter and unwarranted. 

[Gawdzukes]

9 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

I see.

 

Wisebroad sucked at his job. Never liked him as our AGM for 1 single day .. 

 

But gotta say the Miller trade and some of the draft picks were great. If Weisbroad was responsible for the bad decisions he must be credited for the good ones

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Wow, wow, wow....  

 

Let's keep Klancey out of our drafting.  Repeating the Pens drafting over the last 8 years would be a disaster.  

I'll be extremely disappointed if Rutherford keeps anyone out of the Pens' drafting.  

 

You know it's real hard to pin exactly to what extent these guys played a role in things like draft choices. Like most business when you're running or in charge of two departments like pro and amateur scouting you have a lot of people working under you and even likely focus on one more than the other. So in all likelihood Clancey may not have really made those drafting calls (probably not) and may have just signed off on them. Similar to our previous situation (which I find quite funny) where people constantly bicker over who made what picks Benning, Brackett, or Weisbrod, there are also the 20 other scouts and other admin/analytics personnel involved as well. We only see the tip of the iceberg.

 

I will also point out that from 2012 to 2015 they actually did not bad getting Olli Matta, Teddy Blueger, Oskar Sundqvist, Matt Murray, Tristan Jarry, Jake Guentzel, Kasperi Kapanen, and Daniel Sprong. They whiffed on Pouliot but we can appreciate how that can happen.  Anyways basically zero picks in the top 50 except Kapanen, and Matta, and an average of about 5 picks per year. Most NHL'ers come from rounds 1 and sometimes 2.

 

From my perspective it's most important the personnel is chosen based on a single unanimous goal and that the vision is shared by everyone.

[ShawnAntoski]

11 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

He's part of the media, and the current discussion in Canuckland has been all about the past and current regimes. He has insight and shares it, just like anyone else. Guys like Hirsch also get information from insiders simply to leak on their behalf. Hirsch sharing that information could easily have come from someone wanting everyone to know some of the other - less talked about - reasons why Benning was getting let go (such as isolating himself from his team), which also sets up the narrative nicely for the new regime to come in. If you notice, it also fits well with how we keep hearing the new narrative about JR building a collaborative team approach; a stark contrast to Benning.

 

To hate on Hirsch, I think, is a very harsh take on the matter and unwarranted. 

Very good points and I am not hating, on Hirsch.  Personally, I prefer him over Garrett cause of how he explains, the in game strategies being employed by teams, rather than a bunch of pork from Garrett.   Anyways, I understand the reasons (as you stated) cause the timing lines up to the regime change that is currently happening.  I was just merely questioning the source and timing - but the motives are now obvious.

Edited December 16, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[wallstreetamigo]

23 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

 

My question is why involve Clancey with the amateur side now? 

Because someone needs to be in place to oversee it?

 

You are freaking out without even understanding what his role actually is.

[Mathew Barzal]

So what happens when the new GM comes in, he doesn’t get to pick his assistant?

[Gawdzukes]

2 hours ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

Hit the nail on the head. 
Otherwise it’s just an echo chamber. 

It's actually very valuable to have someone that can seamlessly perform the top role in that person's stead, like a carbon copy. In business the Executive Secretary often performs many more of these tasks then the CEO or COO does themselves. However, as you indicated there has to be someone else involved at the top of the decision making tree otherwise you have a dictatorship.

[JM_]

10 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

So what happens when the new GM comes in, he doesn’t get to pick his assistant?

If he isn't a good fit with Clancey then he's likely not a good fit with JR. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Both Zucker and Pettersson would probably be good adds to this group depending on the cost to acquire them. 

I can see the fit for MP... But why give any assets for Zucker?

[Gawdzukes]

26 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Because someone needs to be in place to oversee it?

 

You are freaking out without even understanding what his role actually is.

Yup every organization handles things differently internally. His whole role in that area may only involve group emailing the team when meetings are, setting deadlines, and recording deliverables. We have no idea what the extent of that role is or will be.

[Gawdzukes]

20 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

So what happens when the new GM comes in, he doesn’t get to pick his assistant?

Doesn't sound like it, happens all the time in business though. Maybe he gets a guy in a lesser role that he was worked with before but if not no biggie you have to be able to work with whomever else may be in the organization. It's a job not a marriage proposal. 

[Gawdzukes]

16 minutes ago, JM_ said:

If he isn't a good fit with Clancey then he's likely not a good fit with JR. 

lol, exactly it's not like he's making the decisions independently, both guys will know exactly who they're working with and if they're ok with it.

 

Only on cdc, where our motto should be: If there's a problem, we'll find it!

 

[lmm]

22 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

So what happens when the new GM comes in, he doesn’t get to pick his assistant?

assuming its a young GM

he is coming into a mentorship position

Jim has already stated that he has mentored quite a few people before

the new guy is not getting handed the keys like Benning was

he will be put in a position to learn and succeed

I would jump at the job, but Steve Yzerman or Hen Holland would not

[Gawdzukes]

2 minutes ago, lmm said:

assuming its a young GM

he is coming into a mentorship position

Jim has already stated that he has mentored quite a few people before

the new guy is not getting handed the keys like Benning was

he will be put in a position to learn and succeed

I would jump at the job, but Steve Yzerman or Hen Holland would not

[lmm]

Just now, Gawdzukes said:

hey if Drance can become a reporter, 

why can't I become a GM?

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

59 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Because someone needs to be in place to oversee it?

 

You are freaking out without even understanding what his role actually is.

Exactly.

 

After the players, probably the single largest group of team personnel is the scouts. The two scouting departments (pro and amateur) can operate somewhat independently, under their directors, but they ultimately need to report to someone. 
 

There’s been a vacuum since Benning, Weisbrod, Gear, and Wall were fired.

 

Rutherford can only handle so many duties, as interim GM. And he really should be focused on the big picture, as in evaluating the current roster, and continuing the search for the next GM (and other staff). 
 

Clancey is a guy JR trusts who comes from a solid hockey background. He’s been a player (ECHL), player-coach (ECHL), head coach (ECHL), assistant coach (AHL and ECHL), pro scout (NHL), Director of Pro Scouting (NHL), and Director of Player Personnel (NHL). He’s qualified for a step up to the AGM position, and given his background, he’s actually a really good fit for overseeing scouting (both pro and amateur) at the managerial level.

 

And there are also two AGMs and a GM still remaining to be hired, and other staff as well.
 

For all we know, Ross Mahoney (who quite arguably has a better amateur scouting and drafting CV than Jim Benning) could become the next Canucks GM.

 

Not that it’s even necessary to have a “super scout” working in management, if you have confidence in the scouts and department directors.

 

Let’s wait and see what hockey operations looks like once Rutherford and the next GM have finished building out the new staff, before we really start criticizing how hockey ops is being staffed and run.

 

And let’s stop looking at the Penguins’ draft history, when evaluating this AGM hire.
 

Derek Clancey had nothing to do with those drafts.

 

(Hot take: the Pittsburgh drafts aren’t even that bad, when you consider pick volume and draft position.)

 

And Clancey was in Calgary last season. Most analysts rated the Flames’ 2021 draft quite highly, giving them a B+/A- grade on average. Of course, Clancey had nothing to do with that draft either, but maybe some people here will be comforted by this information anyway.  

Edited December 16, 2021 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME
Typos

[DeltaSwede]

56 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said:

So what happens when the new GM comes in, he doesn’t get to pick his assistant?

I could think of a lot of reasons why that could be a benefit to any organization. From my experience the most successful way of working is having specialists and entrusting that they can exceed within their roles when left alone. Equally important having a manager that will let them exceed in those roles and trust them to do so. 

 

Having your idea challenged is not only good in decisions making, it also makes you think harder, question your own ideas, and see things in more perspectives than just your own. All those things lead to better decisions. It might extend the time of the decision but you will be forced to compromise and that usually ends up being the best outcome. 

 

So to answer your question, I think it is necessary for the GM to be in a position (like any manager) where his decisions will be challenged. If you pick your own crew, you probably won't be questioned as often. That's why I don't see it as an issue at all. 

 

It's a good thing being uncomfortable sometimes. That in itself is a challenge that will make any individual grow. I could make connections to diversity, and I guess this is diversity as well.

 

It's much like putting a hockey team together. You need a sniper, you need a playmaker but you also need a grinder and faceoff man etc. Good players make players around them better. Good managers make other managers and their employees better.  

 

Did i make any sense? haha I hope so!

 

In some organizations, mid-managers will be apart of the hiring process of their new manager so it's not odd to hire a "mid-manager" before the manager is in place. Rather find the best fit for each role as the highest priority. 

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by DeltaSwede

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 hour ago, Jester13 said:

He's part of the media, and the current discussion in Canuckland has been all about the past and current regimes. He has insight and shares it, just like anyone else. Guys like Hirsch also get information from insiders simply to leak on their behalf. Hirsch sharing that information could easily have come from someone wanting everyone to know some of the other - less talked about - reasons why Benning was getting let go (such as isolating himself from his team), which also sets up the narrative nicely for the new regime to come in. If you notice, it also fits well with how we keep hearing the new narrative about JR building a collaborative team approach; a stark contrast to Benning.

 

To hate on Hirsch, I think, is a very harsh take on the matter and unwarranted. 

i see you Hirsch