Elias Pettersson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vinny in Vancouver said: If people ignore where Hagel was drafted, it's easy that he's a pretty good, smart, young player. Tampa Bay 1st's are guaranteed to be pretty low so one can think of this trade as trading Hagel to Seattle for two 2nd round picks. So Demko and Höglander for Hagel? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The Canucks could really get a lot for Boeser 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If we're trading Miller to a contender for picks and prospects, those picks will be late round 1st's. You're not drafting Petey and Huggy with the 28th pick in the draft. they'd be trading Miller for NHL ready, ir on NHL rosters already prospects, young roster players and the picks would be the throw in. I can't believe people are still yapping about Miller for picks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Smart trade by the Hawks. But they should be short a first round pick this year from their failure to deal with, and then hide a sexual predators actions. The NHL is bush. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If we're trading Miller to a contender for picks and prospects, those picks will be late round 1st's. You're not drafting Petey and Huggy with the 28th pick in the draft. You're right, but most folks I've seen advocate for moving Miller aren't building their proposals around picks so much as prospects, players on the cusp, and NHL ready players Would I like 1st involved? Sure, but picks shouldn't be the foundation of any Miller trade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, stawns said: they'd be trading Miller for NHL ready, ir on NHL rosters already prospects, young roster players and the picks would be the throw in. I can't believe people are still yapping about Miller for picks Schneider, Kravtsov and a 1st isn't going to extend our Cup window by 6 years... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, rekker said: Smart trade by the Hawks. But they should be short a first round pick this year from their failure to deal with, and then hide a sexual predators actions. The NHL is bush. Agreed. I wonder if they will sell Kane who is still playing at a high level (not so much for Toews) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I feel like Tampa still has a 2022 1st rounder they could give up for Motte. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Should've_Drafted_Kopitar Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I get he has a cap friendly contract but holy over payment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Schneider, Kravtsov and a 1st isn't going to extend our Cup window by 6 years... that's probably what they'd have to settle for in the summer qhen Miller tells them he has no intention of signing in Van 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Did they mistake Hagel for Patrick Kane in his prime? Rare L for Tampa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Schneider, Kravtsov and a 1st isn't going to extend our Cup window by 6 years... That return AND the spare $10 million in cap space you aren’t spending on Miller could certainly add time to a window rather than shortening it by 4 years when overpaying a 35 year old. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Coconuts said: You're right, but most folks I've seen advocate for moving Miller aren't building their proposals around picks so much as prospects, players on the cusp, and NHL ready players Would I like 1st involved? Sure, but picks shouldn't be the foundation of any Miller trade I agree with you. However, a contender is not going to deplete their lineup to add Miller for a Cup run. That's why these teams are fine trading away their picks and 19-20 year old prospects. In order for a Miller trade to benefit Vancouver we need someone coming back like Lafreniere. The question is will the Rangers trade Lafreniere for Miller? Schneider, Kravtsov and a 1st won't push us into contention for a Cup if you subtract Miller from the equation. We need a bonafide top 6 ready made player who can step into Miller's shoes from day one. A guy like Lafreniere, if he's on the table, I would be in favour of moving Miller for a piece like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Provost said: That return AND the spare $10 million in cap space you aren’t spending on Miller could certainly add time to a window rather than shortening it by 4 years when overpaying a 35 year old. So we spend the $10 million on someone else in free agency who's 29 years old? What else do you do with $10 million? Having Miller at $9 million is fine as long as you have cheap ELC players around him. Obviously if you keep Miller you would have to move Boeser and/or Garland. I am fine with that. Those players don't bring the value Miller does to the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, stawns said: that's probably what they'd have to settle for in the summer qhen Miller tells them he has no intention of signing in Van Speculation at best... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Not that they will but imagine if they put Seth Jones (yes, NMC) on the block right now… he’ll be 35 at end of the new contract which pays 9.5 per until 2029-2030 Edited March 18, 2022 by RWJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Speculation at best... Seguin Jamie Benn Miller will sign a $9+ million deal and will see the same potential fall off in production while being 2+ years older than them when they signed those deals. Speculation or not, he's almost priced himself out of another contract in vancouver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Speculation at best... no more speculation than him staying. I'd say my speculation is far closer to reality than yours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So we spend the $10 million on someone else in free agency who's 29 years old? What else do you do with $10 million? Having Miller at $9 million is fine as long as you have cheap ELC players around him. Obviously if you keep Miller you would have to move Boeser and/or Garland. I am fine with that. Those players don't bring the value Miller does to the team. why would they spend $10m on one player? They don't need to replace Miller, they need to use that cap space and roster flexibility to shore up other areas of the roster sso they don't need to rely on a Miller type player. Offense doesn't win Cups, team defense does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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