spook007 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, stawns said: I don't find Bo to be a passive leader, at all. He's steady and consistent in his leadership style and that's what you need. However, I still feel the same as I did last year and that is I believe that you have two forces in that room and that's never going to work........they need to choose a path and get rid of the players who aren't pulling in the same direction. Imo, they need to decide who Petey sees as the leader and go that way. He is the future of this team. Same issue as last year... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, hammertime said: So whats the play here. The team is hot garbage. Last year they waited too long to do anything about it by the time they got the ship turned around it was too late to save the season. They need to send a message early here. We did not make the moves this offseason of a rebuilding team. To tank the season would be completely un acceptable from a mgmt standpoint. The fans sent a message to the team yesterday. Not sure if it's necessary for the management team to send another message to the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, gurn said: The problem with tanking- for Bedard- is there is no guarantee they get him. finishing last means we could end up with the 3rd best pick.? So how good are the top 3 picks? I'm thinking tank is still in order, but would not be surprised to see Bedard end up elsewhere. For sure. #2 might be attainable by trade and is a very attractive player as well. who knows, if we could obtain 2, might be able to flip that for 1, but tagaln our roster would likely be mutilated in the process of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: 100% agree…..just not about Bo. He is steady Eddy; never to high nor low….perfect captain. He needs so more vets like Schenn to set up in the leadership dept. Problem is we don’t have any; all are quiet dudes or young. If we trade a fwd or two to make space, be nice to get a vet in the 12/13 to be that guy. Too bad Sutters got the long Vid. Lazar is providing some of that, and more with each game imo. It's not enough, but it is on the right side of the ledger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, RWJC said: My only hope is we move to a different kind of roster that isn’t as much dependent on skill to win but equally about pride, hard work, tenacity and guts. One thing a “Canuck” should not be is mentally weak. Embarrassing. Need more Tyler Motte, Connor Garland, Dorsett types. Lets get Lockwood up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, EdgarM said: This is not a coaching issue, this is Torts all over again.A bunch of pouty, poor me, over paid sad example of hockey players taking their sticks and going home. These guys can't even change their brutal entitlement on the PP and stay on for almost the full 2 minutes. This has been like this for a long time. Thye need to go ASAP. Yeah, no. Part of this mess could indeed be a coaching issue. I watch the Canucks and I see absolutely no overarching structure to anything they do out there. Very consistent with the prevailing thinking that Boudreau’s main weakness is installing systems of play. Could it be that the players are not very coachable? Sure. But Bruce has to wear a significant part of this…as funny and charming as we all find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: he may end up being the next captain dark times right now, lots of finger pointing, anger, etc. I keep coming back to us missing a real top defensive specialist in our top 9. We really don't have that, and maybe thats the straw we need to stir the drink. lazar is kind of like our poor man's defensive specialist at this point I think. Aman has been alright but its his first season. we'd hoped it would be dickinson last year but that obviously went to sh*t. long gone are the days when we had Hank and Kes as our top 2 in their prime and Manny Malholtra as that godly face-off man/defensive specialist. The "checking lines" we had bring back fond memories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: Lazar is providing some of that, and more with each game imo. It's not enough, but it is on the right side of the ledger. agreed, Lazar could end up being animportant guy in that room once he's been here for a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: It's absolutely still not too late to trade Miller... Miller's not the problem. How is it possible that the captain of this team doesn't show up in the home opener? Horvat was quiet the whole game. That's not the effort and passion you would expect from a captain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, hammertime said: Need more Tyler Motte, Connor Garland, Dorsett types. Lets get Lockwood up. Totally agree, and i’d prefer that but with size. That’s said, smart physical players who can draw penalties (like Garland) are valuable. Swagger only lasts from the smaller guys until they are physically dominated or injured. NHL standard size is much larger now and we need to stay on par or above it going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Miller's not the problem. Deb alt account? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted October 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: he may end up being the next captain dark times right now, lots of finger pointing, anger, etc. I keep coming back to us missing a real top defensive specialist in our top 9. We really don't have that, and maybe thats the straw we need to stir the drink. We need a 3C, we need two top 4 D that actually complement Hughes/OEL, we need more grit and defensive ability in the upper end of the lineup. We need more organizational/prospect depth. I feel like a broken record here as I've been posting all these things for over a year now.... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted October 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Miller's not the problem. How is it possible that the captain of this team doesn't show up in the home opener? Horvat was quiet the whole game. That's not the effort and passion you would expect from a captain. Miller's not the problem? He gave the puck away once, meandered back to his own zone despite knowing it was an odd man rush he created and then checked his stick blade on the his slow skate back to his end. He's not an issue? C'mon man I thought Bo's line played pretty well last night......for two periods at least 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, gurn said: The problem with tanking- for Bedard- is there is no guarantee they get him. finishing last means we could end up with the 3rd best pick.? So how good are the top 3 picks? I'm thinking tank is still in order, but would not be surprised to see Bedard end up elsewhere. even if its not bedard, apparently this draft is pretty freaking amazing. The entire top 3 is a can't miss. Michkov is just as dynamic as Bedard apparently but he has the whole Russian visa issue and he's signed with a KHL team until 2026 (yikes). Adam Fantilli could also be a franchise centerman. only 6 games in but this draft class is stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, aGENT said: We need a 3C, we need two top 4 D that actually complement Hughes/OEL, we need more grit and defensive ability in the upper end of the lineup. We need more organizational/prospect depth. I feel like a broken record here as I've been posting all these things for over a year now.... I'm baffled why BB is playing Lazar on the wing, tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, stawns said: You don't tank for bedard, you make the roster fix that needs to be made and that likely means a step back this year........and this is a good year to have a better lottery ticket. Bedard also the snt the only franchise player in this draft either. Bedard at the moment only 17 exceptional player status doesn’t always translate to the NHL he could be 3,4 years out , does the supporting cast needed still exist in 3,4 years. Long shot gamer pipe dream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, PetterssonOrPeterson said: even if its not bedard, apparently this draft is pretty freaking amazing. The entire top 3 is a can't miss. Michkov is just as dynamic as Bedard apparently but he has the whole Russian visa issue and he's signed with a KHL team until 2026 (yikes). Adam Fantilli could also be a franchise centerman. only 6 games in but this draft class is stacked. at this point, I think all bets with the KHL are off. I see a mass exodus and league collapse on the horizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said: Yeah, no. Part of this mess could indeed be a coaching issue. I watch the Canucks and I see absolutely no overarching structure to anything they do out there. Very consistent with the prevailing thinking that Boudreau’s main weakness is installing systems of play. Could it be that the players are not very coachable? Sure. But Bruce has to wear a significant part of this…as funny and charming as we all find him. Nah don’t agree at all. he’s leaving it to the slumping players to get themselves out of it and face responsibility. It’s rare that a coach can enable this through system play…the player has to rely on themselves to force change. They are solely accountable at this point, especially as they are being paid to perform under any reasonable expectation. It’s no different from the real world where anyone has to look at themselves to effect change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, gurn said: The problem with tanking- for Bedard- is there is no guarantee they get him. finishing last means we could end up with the 3rd best pick.? So how good are the top 3 picks? I'm thinking tank is still in order, but would not be surprised to see Bedard end up elsewhere. The top 3 (Bedard, fantilli, michkov) are good enough to be 1st overall in any other year. It's a deep draft. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Considering their situation and desperate need for success... The Leafs need to pay to remove Holl and upgrade big time. Schenn for holl + 1st +3rd 3rd is for the cap dump holl, The 1st is for the ultimate hits leading cheap vet defender schenn. Gets them some cap relief which they need when people come back from injuries. They paid over 15 picks including 4 firsts since 19' doing little upgrades like this. Obviously trading our only leader results in needing to go full sell though. Go full Habs/ NYR. Dont sit around waiting, Don't add other teams failed mid 20 year olds for once please canucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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