stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: It's alot worse, but your blindness to it because of your desperation to move Miller at any cost can't see it... How is it worse, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: It's alot worse, but your blindness to it because of your desperation to move Miller at any cost can't see it... And you better believe I'm desperate for them to move Miller.........we all should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Why? Why what? Why is management cuffed to Miller or why is Horvat more valued by fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, stawns said: How is it worse, exactly? Miller at 70 points at $8 million is far better than KK at 25 points at $5 million. Why can't you see that? Why would we want to be paying a 3C almost $5 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: And you better believe I'm desperate for them to move Miller.........we all should be. I'm not desperate. Only the hardcore Horvat fans who think he is the Messiah even though he has led us to nowhere in almost 9 years are the desperate ones... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Why what? Why is management cuffed to Miller or why is Horvat more valued by fans? Why is management cuffed to miller? His NTC doesn't kick in until next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The thing people are forgetting in their mad rush to dump Miller is that management most likely has zero interest in trading him They could have last year numerous times as the season was lost early no matter what the Boudreau bump showed. The likelihood of them trading him now is already slim let alone finding a dance partners that wants him for 8 years Miller is not even on the trade block. They re-signed him for another 7 years. So we are stuck with him whether we like it or not. It's getting so bad people are willing to dump him to get a 3C in return with a worse contract. It's crazy really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller at 70 points at $8 million is far better than KK at 25 points at $5 million. Why can't you see that? Why would we want to be paying a 3C almost $5 million? One is 30 and declining, one (a 3rd overall) is 22 and still developing. One will be untradable until his contract expires, one will likely have decent value as his term decreases and more so if he finds his game. One is an actual C and a good 200 ft player, one is a w and mostly allergic to defensive play One of those contracts gives the Canucks $3.5m of cap space, one eats up $4m of cap.space 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller is not even on the trade block. They re-signed him for another 7 years. So we are stuck with him whether we like it or not. It's getting so bad people are willing to dump him to get a 3C in return with a worse contract. It's crazy really... I thought everyone but Petey was on the menu. You're fooling yourself if you think they're not seriously listening to potential deals for miller. This is their last chance for a few years and it's pretty clear miller isn't the player they thought he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller is not even on the trade block. They re-signed him for another 7 years. So we are stuck with him whether we like it or not. It's getting so bad people are willing to dump him to get a 3C in return with a worse contract. It's crazy really... Not that I'm big on JK, but to clarify...people aren't willing to dump Miller (or Bo, who's a better fit for Carolina anyway) for JK. They're willing to move him to get the cap space, prospects, draft picks and youth that better fit this team's timeline. Nobody is suggesting Miller straight up for JK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 31 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: CDC is so desperate to get rid of Miller they are willing to take back an even worse player with an even worse contract... if the cost to rid miller is just to save 3mil but for a player that'll be 50 point less in production.. i might as well be on the keep miller bandwagon. how can anyone think KK is not a huge risk?? on the canucks 3rd line.. he prolly won't even hit 20 points.. a defensive 3c that can't even put up 40 points at 5mil is a disaster cap wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Why is management cuffed to miller? His NTC doesn't kick in until next season. Simple business. It shouldn't be hard to understand that management dug their grave with this contract. They signed an 8 year 8 million to a guy in a career year which is the kiss of death. While being a cap team with no assets and no success in a decade. Nobody is going to line up to do Vancouver favours and take him just because. When the trade happens it will be absolutely to the benefit of the team acquiring him. Whether that is retention or assets added in is up for debate But make no mistake this is a contract management is now married to and nothing is going to change that. Not opinion, strong feelings or strawman arguments. This league doesn't do Vancouver favours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, wai_lai416 said: if the cost to rid miller is just to save 3mil but for a player that'll be 50 point less in production.. i might as well be on the keep miller bandwagon. how can anyone think KK is not a huge risk?? on the canucks 3rd line.. he prolly won't even hit 20 points.. a defensive 3c that can't even put up 40 points at 5mil is a disaster cap wise. Do you think it'd be miller for Kot straight up? Is that what you're circling around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller is not even on the trade block. Everyone is available for the right price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller at 70 points at $8 million is far better than KK at 25 points at $5 million. Why can't you see that? Why would we want to be paying a 3C almost $5 million? I’d be excited about a Miller for Kotkaniemi Trade. I see Kotkaniemi as an ideal 3C behind Petey and Bo. He’s a nasty piece of crap and has skill. 10 for Petey 7.5 for Bo 5 for JK We could run out pairs of: Petey and Kuz Missile Bo and Mik JK and Podzilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I'm not desperate. Only the hardcore Horvat fans who think he is the Messiah even though he has led us to nowhere in almost 9 years are the desperate ones... Interesting to note that this is Miller's 4th year with the club, and yet he hasn't led the team to the play offs. It's almost like no single player can do it on their own, or something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Simple business. It shouldn't be hard to understand that management dug their grave with this contract. They signed an 8 year 8 million to a guy in a career year which is the kiss of death. While being a cap team with no assets and no success in a decade. Nobody is going to line up to do Vancouver favours and take him just because. When the trade happens it will be absolutely to the benefit of the team acquiring him. Whether that is retention or assets added in is up for debate But make no mistake this is a contract management is now married to and nothing is going to change that. Not opinion, strong feelings or strawman arguments. This league doesn't do Vancouver favours. Miller is a top line player who could push like Carolina over the top and keep them.there for a few years. Not like he's a useless player and the Canucks are trying to dump him. He'll make whichever team gets him much better. Circumstances have changed since they signed that deal, I'm sure even this management team sees that. They have one last window to fix their mistake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Gurn said: Interesting to note that this is Miller's 4th year with the club, and yet he hasn't led the team to the play offs. It's almost like no single player can do it on their own, or something. Wasn’t Miller on the bubble playoff team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, stawns said: Miller is a top line player who could push like Carolina over the top and keep them.there for a few years. Not like he's a useless player and the Canucks are trying to dump him. He'll make whichever team gets him much better. Circumstances have changed since they signed that deal, I'm sure even this management team sees that. They have one last window to fix their mistake Yup Miller + for Kotkaniemi + (young D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Wasn’t Miller on the bubble playoff team? Bubble doesn't count- according to a large part of this fan base anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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