stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said: I'm gonna take a few year break from the knuckles heads if that happens I'm considering it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I don't think so, miller is more valuable and he also doesn't have any kind of ntc........oel had two teams he'd go to and that hamstrings everything I disagree mostly, not entirely. But mostly. I think salary cap plays more of a role now than it ever has, and as a result good players who have huge price tags are valued way less than they used to. Millers contract is basically 10% of every teams payroll. That's very scary for every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: For a guy that throws the term “busteroo” around all the time I’m surprised he’s so obsessed with acquiring Kotkeniemi. I would be ok bringing KK in if Carolina made a good enough offer. I think KK's career is salvageable and the Canucks would need a good 3C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Basically the only scenario that is realistic is exactly what the OEL trade was, but the roles are reversed for us. Only way we move Miller is if it's for 1-3 players who have 1-3 years left on bad contracts and we just have to wait it out. Anyone who thinks Miller will net us actual quality players or picks is dreaming. Think you forgot an important part of that deal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I would be ok bringing KK in if Carolina made a good enough offer. I think KK's career is salvageable and the Canucks would need a good 3C. Is he a good third line center though? At almost 5 million cap hit he better be. I don’t see how that’s helping our cap situations with how long he’s signed. Seems like we’re just swapping one underperformer for another. I’d rather take guys back with less term if we can. The goal needs to be to clear out cap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 hours ago, BigTramFan said: This is the only thing that the article says about teams being interested in Miller: “As for a trade before the March 3 trade deadline, the Pittsburgh Penguins have cap space next season and beyond to take on Miller's contract. He's also been linked to the New York Rangers, Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils.” i don’t think this counts as a rumour May be hes reporting what he read on CDC. And then CDC opens a topic on his report. It's a freaking loop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, Alflives said: All true. But has our owner allowed management to change direction from his “sell the future to win now” course? Even Allvin said this franchise isn’t going to rebuild. Hell, we got a third for Hamonic and then traded it for a 26 year old Dermott. We moved a second to clear Dickinson so we could bring in a 25 year old Bear. I have yet to see any change in direction. Our owner will not allow a change. When we hear JR saying that Petey is the only untouchable, I wonder if things have changed some. You know how Rutherford said that his most important job is to "manage up". In other words, convince the owner to let them do the right thing. It may have been a little divide and conquer on Aquilini's part between Linden (rebuild) and Benning (yes man) but now he's only got 1 man who deals with him and I dare say he's more persuasive than the last geezer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Is he a good third line center though? At almost 5 million cap hit he better be. I don’t see how that’s helping our cap situations with how long he’s signed. Seems like we’re just swapping one underperformer for another. I’d rather take guys back with less term if we can. The goal needs to be to clear out cap. One thing about swedes and Finn's is that they are all well trained 200ft players and that was one of the things about his game that made him a high pick. I think it would be a gamble, but if the sweetener was good enough, I'd probably bite. Carolina has some good, young assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Even if there is interest, can management pull it off? Probably more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Is he a good third line center though? At almost 5 million cap hit he better be. I don’t see how that’s helping our cap situations with how long he’s signed. Seems like we’re just swapping one underperformer for another. I’d rather take guys back with less term if we can. The goal needs to be to clear out cap. to me, the goal is to balance the roster and bring in guys within the right timeline......KK is only 22 and though I agree about the term, if they can get him playing well then he's still got a couple years before a M-NTC kicks in, they could probably move him if they need to. Again, it would be the sweetener that would be the main piece.......KK would be a wash with Miller, one favour for another and it still frees up over $3m a year. Edited January 8, 2023 by stawns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: Even if there is interest, can management pull it off? Probably more that's a whole different discussion and I'm on the fence because they have made some good, smaller moves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, stawns said: that's a whole different discussion and I'm on the fence because they have made some good, smaller moves. I'm just getting impatient with the craptastic season, seemingly no foresight with this team and the likelihood we'll draft outside the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 hours ago, luckylager said: Moving Miller would be ideal. Ship sailed on a good return, but bloated management committee can spread the blame around on that one and move on. Hope this rumour is true. Maybe the issue was the return wasn't as good as we thought it would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doxm Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Take the offer and fking run IDGAF what we get back. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doxm said: Take the offer and fking run IDGAF what we get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 well, I had a long post written out, then the chromebook died and I lost it, so here's the abridged version Van Miller Carolina Jarvis- he's the sweetener for taking KK. Smaller winger, but dynamic and makes other wingers expendable KK - cap and doing Carolina a favour. That said, he's only 22 and still developing. Good 3C and might up his value as an asset. 1st - in the 25-32 range likely, but could be packaged to move up. Van Miller Detroit Suter, expiring contract to make it more palatable Kasper - the real prize. Decent sized, 8th overall pick, depth down the middle for a long time. 1st - probably in the 20 range. Should be good dmen in that spot, or packaged to move up Van Miller Washington Eller - expiring contract Iorio - local (coquitlam), big, young solid 2way RD.....exactly the kind of player they need. Maybe have to include woo or rathbone? 1st - 15-20 range probably Van Miller NJ Severson - cap, but might be a good re-sign candidate depending on his ask Nemec - swng for the fences, but probably untouchable or Mercer - makes them very deep down the middle, and Mercer is more like a 2B and getting better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philtbc829 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Insane isn't it. Allvin and co should treat Miller as a cap dump if it means we can re-sign Bo and Kuz and get this done. Obviously we'd have to take cap back in any deal 1) Pittsburgh - not sure who they'd give up. They need to hold on to their D with Letang injured. Straight swap for Zucker could work, maybe they throw in a pick (1st probably too much but I'd take a 2nd or honestly...nothing). They have a few contracts ending this off-season so have a tiny bit of scope to sign him. 2) Rangers - can't see how they can acquire Miller and get better, unless they trade us Goodrow (3.6M cap). They have 1.5M in cap space right now so could just about squeeze Miller in, then would have to do a fair bit of wheeling around to make his 8M fit in the off-season. Obviously if we're taking a 3.6M cap dump back they have to give us something tasty like a good prospect/young player (which I doubt they'll part with), or more likely a 1st round pick. Goodrow + 1st for Miller would do just fine and he could just about slot in for us at 3rd line center. Most importantly we free up a tonne of cap space. 3) Devils - this is where things get interesting, lots of options here. They have a lot of contracts expiring, lots of decisions to make on defence and up front. They'll have to pay Bratt big time, likely let veterans like Tatar and Haula walk, spend money on their kids and probably end up letting guys like Severson +/- Graves walk. I wonder...I'd happily do Miller for Severson straight up (maybe a pick coming back, or Haula as a 3C if they want more cap space?) if they can juggle their lineup to make Miler fit for this year. A lot depends as well on when Marino's injury is up and he comes back, but there's surely a trade here. At the very least we could do Miller for Tatar and a pick (1st or 2nd?) but I like the idea of Severson coming back as a sort of rental/possible Weegar-like instant extension. 4) Detroit - they've got 4M in cap space, have to re-sign Larkin in the off-season but not many other difficult decisions, they can send whatever they want over for Miller. A straight 1st round pick? Sure. They don't really have a "cap dump" they can send our way, even Perron is still producing loads of offence for his age and cap hit. They're probably best suited to sending us a pick or prospect over straight up, and can surely jiggle their lineup to get Miller's 5M to fit this year, and his extension next year. I would take literally any one of these deals, ideally the NJD one, which means we can fit Bo in and avoid having to pay this guy 8M for the next almost-decade. Yeah definitely Devils.....fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 dear god trade miller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 hours ago, BigTramFan said: This is the only thing that the article says about teams being interested in Miller: “As for a trade before the March 3 trade deadline, the Pittsburgh Penguins have cap space next season and beyond to take on Miller's contract. He's also been linked to the New York Rangers, Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils.” i don’t think this counts as a rumour So pretty much the same as anything Friedman or seravalli have done but those are rumours? i guess he should have said “I’m hearing” because then it must be true. Lol So you want confirmed rumours hahahahhahahaha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: well, I had a long post written out, then the chromebook died and I lost it, so here's the abridged version Van Miller Carolina Jarvis- he's the sweetener for taking KK. Smaller winger, but dynamic and makes other wingers expendable KK - cap and doing Carolina a favour. That said, he's only 22 and still developing. Good 3C and might up his value as an asset. 1st - in the 25-32 range likely, but could be packaged to move up. Van Miller Detroit Suter, expiring contract to make it more palatable Kasper - the real prize. Decent sized, 8th overall pick, depth down the middle for a long time. 1st - probably in the 20 range. Should be good dmen in that spot, or packaged to move up Van Miller Washington Eller - expiring contract Iorio - local (coquitlam), big, young solid 2way RD.....exactly the kind of player they need. Maybe have to include woo or rathbone? 1st - 15-20 range probably Van Miller NJ Severson - cap, but might be a good re-sign candidate depending on his ask Nemec - swng for the fences, but probably untouchable or Mercer - makes them very deep down the middle, and Mercer is more like a 2B and getting better I hope that would be the return we cannot afford dump miller or horvat. I like Kapanen Pierre Oliver Joseph for miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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