DownUndaCanuck Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Neutral said: Can we get Boston to take JT Miller instead of Horvat? Ryan Mast young 6'3 RHD is 19, found this scouting report on him: https://www.recruitscouting.com/player-profile-ryan-mast/ Brett Harrison young C with some size Foligno/Smith as cap coming back that we can flip at the TDL for a pick? 2023 1st round pick? for JT Miller Probably a bit too much coming back. How about: Miller for Carlo straight up Or Miller + Rathbone for Carlo + Zacha Would fix pretty much all our problems. Plus, Carlo's playing a lot less with McAvoy back now. I know they'd want Bo but Miller fits that team to a tee... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: He's 22. For perspective we have been playing Sheldon Dries & Curtis Lazar at 3C & 4C. Have Lane Pederson on our roster. Yes we could use KK if we lost Miller. And yes KK's a fine 3rd line C for most teams. Maybe not Carolina, with their defense 1st, drill sergeant platooned systems. Younger than Quinn Hughes by nearly a year. Not far off the productivity and games played as the Sedin's, same age. Tracks 30 to 40 points now. Presume a breakthrough even if not huge. That is still $3.5 Mill in the right direction towards signing Kuzmenko & Horvat. Carolina is at the cap. What else with salary are they going to give up? That's part of the package to get the rest of the deal. A 1st and top D prospect is the real cache. lol just because he's 22 and we need a 3c so we are willing to take an overpaid under performing player that's signed for another 7 years after this? gimme a break. and carolina is not dumb enough to trade away a 1st and a top d prospect for miller.. and track 30-40 points? he's not even tracking for 30 points.. and please.. comparing him to the sedin lol. having a 5mil 3c that can't produce that'll sure take this team to the next level.. we just need more of these long term anchors on the team.. you guys cry daily about pearson and his 3x points 3.5mil cap but is ok taking back 5mil for a sub 30 point guy that's signed till god knows when because he's YOUNG lol okie.. he literally have shown 0 progression towards being a better point producer since stepping in to the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol just because he's 22 and we need a 3c so we are willing to take an overpaid under performing player that's signed for another 7 years after this? gimme a break. and carolina is not dumb enough to trade away a 1st and a top d prospect for miller.. and track 30-40 points? he's not even tracking for 30 points.. and please.. comparing him to the sedin lol. having a 5mil 3c that can't produce that'll sure take this team to the next level.. we just need more of these long term anchors on the team.. you guys cry daily about pearson and his 3x points 3.5mil cap but is ok taking back 5mil for a sub 30 point guy that's signed till god knows when because he's YOUNG lol okie.. he literally have shown 0 progression towards being a better point producer since stepping in to the league. Isn’t KK known for playing with nasty, so points aren’t all he contributes to winning? Maybe Carolina would want Bo? KK + + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Kenny Powers said: Think you forgot an important part of that deal While I was writing that I did completely forget that crucial detail! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the harry Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I could see Miller on Jack Hughes wing. Would you do it for Hamilton, one for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Isn’t KK known for playing with nasty, so points aren’t all he contributes to winning? Maybe Carolina would want Bo? KK + + i still don't want KK not at his 7 more years at almost 5mi. forwards are paid for productions they ain't paid for playing nasty. at 5mil you better be able to put up 40-45 points at least not sub 30. defenceman are paid for playing defence and nastiness not forwards. KK have one of the worse cost/points out of all healthy forwards in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: i still don't want KK not at his 7 more years at almost 5mi. forwards are paid for productions they ain't paid for playing nasty. at 5mil you better be able to put up 40-45 points at least not sub 30. defenceman are paid for playing defence and nastiness not forwards. KK have one of the worse cost/points out of all healthy forwards in the league. It's a risk, but not a huge one. He's only 22 and is a solid defensive C, at the very least. That would give them great depth down the middle. Further to him being yound, he's still got a CPL seasons before a m-ntc kicks in and as years come off his deal, his value goes up. Again, it'd have to come with a significant sweetener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, the harry said: I could see Miller on Jack Hughes wing. Would you do it for Hamilton, one for one? NMC, why would he waive that for Van? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol just because he's 22 and we need a 3c so we are willing to take an overpaid under performing player that's signed for another 7 years after this? gimme a break. and carolina is not dumb enough to trade away a 1st and a top d prospect for miller.. and track 30-40 points? he's not even tracking for 30 points.. and please.. comparing him to the sedin lol. having a 5mil 3c that can't produce that'll sure take this team to the next level.. we just need more of these long term anchors on the team.. you guys cry daily about pearson and his 3x points 3.5mil cap but is ok taking back 5mil for a sub 30 point guy that's signed till god knows when because he's YOUNG lol okie.. he literally have shown 0 progression towards being a better point producer since stepping in to the league. CDC is so desperate to get rid of Miller they are willing to take back an even worse player with an even worse contract... Edited January 8, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I still think a Miller for Carlo and 1st should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, the harry said: I could see Miller on Jack Hughes wing. Would you do it for Hamilton, one for one? 3 minutes ago, stawns said: NMC, why would he waive that for Van? Also why would NJD give him up? Teams aren't keen on giving up high level, contributing, roster players for TDL deals. They're not going to subtract major pieces from competitive teams. Same reason we're not getting Jarvis out of Carolina no matter how many times people post it. Drury + Morrow maybe, but not Jarvis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) The thing people are forgetting in their mad rush to dump Miller is that management most likely has zero interest in trading him They could have last year numerous times as the season was lost early no matter what the Boudreau bump showed. The likelihood of them trading him now is already slim let alone finding a dance partners that wants him for 8 years Edited January 8, 2023 by Warhippy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The thing people are forgetting in their mad rush to dump Miller is that management most likely has zero interest in trading him They could have last year numerous times as the season was lost early no matter what the Boudreau bump showed. The likelihood of them trading him now is already slim let alone finding a dance partners that wants him for 8 years Because it's miller or horvst and it's pretty clear who the more important player, who the better locker room guy is and who fans prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted January 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: CDC is so desperate to get rid of Miller they are willing to take back an even worse player with an even worse contract... I feel like the majority now sees what is minority were talking about last year. This team isn't good enough to be taking on ageing long term contracts, and Miller attitude doesn't help build a new culture that we desperately need 1 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 The fundamental issue now is cap space this year. Nobody has any. For teams that can pick up Miller this year vs next year There are plenty of teams with minimal roster spots and plenty of cap space that could take him without moving anything for 23/24 when his $8 million kicks in. This year is a bit more of an outlier as currently only 14 teams in the entire league have any available cap space. That being said, he is also as of today only worth $2.9 million if traded based on his current contract of $5.25 million pro-rated. Of the teams that have the cap space to fit him at 3 million only 5 would have the cap space to retain him in to next season without making moves; those being the Coyotes, Sabres, Ducks, Hawks and Wings. 2022/2023: NHL 2022 https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/ Starting for 2023/2024 when his $8 million cap would kick in, the following teams would be able to fit him without any changes at all. 2023/2024: NHL 2023 https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/2023/ Blackhawks, 12/23 roster spots $45 million in cap space Ducks, 14/24 roster spots $42 million in cap space Red Wings, 13/23 roster spots $41 million in cap space Coyotes, 15/23 roster spots $38 million in cap space Sabres, 15/23 roster spots #32 million in cap space When we look at teams able to make moves of $3 million or less that would fit him in, that list triples to 15 total teams that could fit Miller in next year. This is a damned strange year for teams regarding cap space because when you look at the numbers, as of RIGHT now only 14 total teams have any non LTIR cap space and of those teams, 7 of those teams have less than 2 million with an 8th having less than $3 million. Meaning more than half of the entire league has literally zero cap space to work with right now to make any level of moves including waiver pick ups. So this desire of, or belief that Miller is just easy to shuffle off without even considering that management might have no interest in trading him. Is kind of wishful thinking without concrete evidence that he is being shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Because it's miller or horvst and it's pretty clear who the more important player, who the better locker room guy is and who fans prefer. Ya Horvat. Not even arguable. But management is cuffed to Miller. Edited January 8, 2023 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: CDC is so desperate to get rid of Miller they are willing to take back an even worse player with an even worse contract... Saves them $3.5m per year for a bonafide C who is only 22. How is it worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Ya Horvat. Not even arguable. But management is cuffed to Miller. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: I feel like the majority now sees what is minority were talking about last year. This team isn't good enough to be taking on ageing long term contracts, and Miller attitude doesn't help build a new culture that we desperately need KK is a 3C earning almost $5 million for the next 7.5 years. He is on pace for 26 points. How is trading for him going to help us? Just because Miller is gone? I'd rather have Miller at $8 million getting 60-70 points on the 2nd line then KK at almost $5 million on the 3rd line getting 25 points... Edited January 8, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Saves them $3.5m per year for a bonafide C who is only 22. How is it worse? It's alot worse, but your blindness to it because of your desperation to move Miller at any cost can't see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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