CanucksJay Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 The Tocchet interview regarding this was so bad... So much confusion internally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Provost said: Don’t particularly care much one way or another about the player players as good and better hit the waiver wire all the time. Unlike the current regime, I don’t think the team is going to get materially better by just picking up young cast offs and hoping they have more than they showed on their other teams. The economics of the league make it more likely that you will unearth a gem by picking up a solid veteran player who has been pushed out if lineups by young guys. This. This is the new NHL. Stock your top talent with young guys and lock them up into long term contracts and fill the remainder of the roster with good vets that got squeezed out. Thats where the real bargains are. They will now sign 2 year terms at super low cap hits to stay in the game and outperform 23-26 year olds trying to play the depth roles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, CanucksJay said: The Tocchet interview regarding this was so bad... So much confusion internally I mean listen to Allvin in interviews, it’s clear communication isn’t his strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 He took warmups lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 hours ago, HKSR said: For now... bottom feeders can do it and move him back down later on. but we could just claim him again... rinse repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: but we could just claim him again... rinse repeat If we waive him, he's claimed, then waived later, we can claim him and immediately send him down without waivers. I think it has to be within a certain time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: This. This is the new NHL. Stock your top talent with young guys and lock them up into long term contracts and fill the remainder of the roster with good vets that got squeezed out. Thats where the real bargains are. They will now sign 2 year terms at super low cap hits to stay in the game and outperform 23-26 year olds trying to play the depth roles. Yep, it is amazing how few GMs have adjusted to this new reality. It used to be young players were where you found your savings and you overpaid old veterans for past performance. The pendulum has swung (too far) the other way and it is the veterans who are undervalued and good deals. Leave some spaces on your roster and in mid-late July there are solid veteran UFAs to be had for cheap who are likely going to outplay your fringe kids and be able to mentor the high end talent at the same time about being a pro. Nothing like the message from someone who has been to the top of the mountain and is learning the lesson on how short careers can be, and how hard you have to work to stay in the league. Frankly a guy like Schaller when we signed him provides way more value than whatever random assortment of depth pieces we keep adding. Schenn is another great example. You have 3-4 of those guys in a lineup, supplementing some high end talent and you can get great cap efficiencies. Worst case and your team is out of it, and those are exactly the guys contenders are looking for at the deadline for injury insurance. Edited January 28, 2023 by Provost 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: This. This is the new NHL. Stock your top talent with young guys and lock them up into long term contracts and fill the remainder of the roster with good vets that got squeezed out. Thats where the real bargains are. They will now sign 2 year terms at super low cap hits to stay in the game and outperform 23-26 year olds trying to play the depth roles. Is there a team that's been successful for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: Is there a team that's been successful for? You need to open your mind and not just copy a winning team's recipe as the landscape is continually changing. That mentality is why most teams are always a step behind. Have you actually not noticed the shift where RFAs are getting more money earlier in their career based on "potential" while decent vets like Schenn are signing team friendly contracts to stay in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks-12 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 So I guess a player can still play on the day he’s placed on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 They knew Mikheyev was going to go on LTIR today too.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canuck Surfer Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 16 hours ago, Fanuck said: The sad reality is that guys like Pederson, Studinka, Dries, Stillman, Burroughs, PDG, Juulsen, Brisbois, ect...likely never see an NHL game (or very limited action if they do) on a legitimate contending team in the NHL, yet we're playing some of these guys 10-14min/night in some cases. This is why we're in the bottom third of the league sadly. And some people have not noticed we are playing a game of Tanks Bedard? I like Pederson. A great deal! He, along with Dries, Stillman have meant we can also develop Hogz & Podz in Abbotsford. Jayson Megna for ring of honour! 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 hours ago, Provost said: Don’t particularly care much one way or another about the player players as good and better hit the waiver wire all the time. Unlike the current regime, I don’t think the team is going to get materially better by just picking up young cast offs and hoping they have more than they showed on their other teams. The economics of the league make it more likely that you will unearth a gem by picking up a solid veteran player who has been pushed out if lineups by young guys. Why, oh why did we not claim Tolvanen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Canucks-12 said: So I guess a player can still play on the day he’s placed on waivers. I guess it's when he clears that matters. With the all star break, they obviously want him to help out in Abby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 hours ago, CanucksJay said: You need to open your mind and not just copy a winning team's recipe as the landscape is continually changing. That mentality is why most teams are always a step behind. Have you actually not noticed the shift where RFAs are getting more money earlier in their career based on "potential" while decent vets like Schenn are signing team friendly contracts to stay in the league? Handing the reigns over to potential and surrounding them with fillers doesn't seem like a very successful way to do business in the NHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post goalie13 Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: That's quite the revenge for last night's loss. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Well sh!t 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, goalie13 said: That's quite the revenge for last night's loss. If they try to send him down at any point, Can gets first shot at him I believe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 That's some poor asset management there 1 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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