Elias Pettersson Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jester13 said: You have to always keep in mind Drance's long-standing premise: we're not close to building a long-term contending franchise ala Yzerman's plan. We're continuing the cycle of mediocrity. We're now in cap trouble again and still have many holes to fill, yet we've traded away something like three of our last four 1st rounders? Our draft pool is not good enough, our team isn't good enough, yet we're making a go of it these next few years, likely only to hit the wall of reality, yet again, in a few years that this team isn't good enough and we'll be talking rebuild; yet we won't have a prospect pool at that time either. Aye yi yi. He said we are worse NOW with the trade. In the immediate term. He was trying to justify that the trade sucks long term, which is fine you can make that argument. But then he went one step further and said we are even worse in the short term. The funniest part is that Donnie was also ripping the trade, but then admitted that alot of the fans emailing in are actually on board with the trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Can we use PA's own logic against him. A Canucks 2nd is pretty close to a 1st... so pretty much we traded two firsts for Hronik (who PA would say is like a 1st). Therefore with the Horvat and Hornik deals: We sent out 3 first round picks (Horvat, NYI 1st, VAN 2nd) and we got back 4 first round picks (Hronek, NYI 1st, Raty, Beauvillier) Pretty much a free 1st round pick! Steal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Signing Schenn, Severson would make this a much better defense. Do it, AlLvin! Hughes - Severson Bear - Hronek Dermott - Schenn I think they will make a pitch for severson and Schenn. I like dermott if he is healthy. Bear in the bottom pair is good especially if we can’t get Schenn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: He said we are worse NOW with the trade. In the immediate term. He was trying to justify that the trade sucks long term, which is fine you can make that argument. But then he went one step further and said we are even worse in the short term. The funniest part is that Donnie was also ripping the trade, but then admitted that alot of the fans emailing in are actually on board with the trade... True, but if you look at the poll question 76% say Detroit won the trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, WHL rocks said: Apparently Canucks went after Horonek. Seraveli says he talked to other GMs and they didn't even know Horonek was available. It seems Canucks wanted him targeted him and went to DET asking for him. Horonek wasn't on the trade market as in DET calling teams and telling them he's available. Provided this is true (and we have to be clear that this may or may not be true), I have 2 thoughts: 1. Going after a player like this with other teams not knowing would be mean less chance of a bidding war happening. Perhaps this is actually smart in that regard. 2. Canucks had more control over the timing since it was not just being a player available. Could this have been done at the draft then? I know this contradicts one of my earlier posts but I'm trying to figure things out like everyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DS4quality said: Assuming the Isles make the playoffs this year... what happens if the Isles drop out and tank next year... patience is required. If the Isles make the playoffs this season the pick is for this June. Edited March 2, 2023 by Baggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: No, he couldn't even make a logical explanation as to why, just threw it out there that we are worse with those 3 in the lineup than with Horvat to try and justify his argument that this trade makes no sense even in the immediate term... We are likely drafting a center in 2023 who will make the team within two years. So having bo and miller, it’s an overkill. I think the team got good pieces. I like beau quite a lot and hronek is a good player. If Raty can develop into a 3c, it’s a huge win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jester13 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He said we are worse NOW with the trade. In the immediate term. He was trying to justify that the trade sucks long term, which is fine you can make that argument. But then he went one step further and said we are even worse in the short term. The funniest part is that Donnie was also ripping the trade, but then admitted that alot of the fans emailing in are actually on board with the trade... Worse in the short- and long-term because it helps us win now and next year, and that's not good for our long-term future (his premise). There's a division between fans with the direction of the team: build for the future or build for the now and short term. Those in favour of this trade are thinking short term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Lock said: Provided this is true (and we have to be clear that this may or may not be true), I have 2 thoughts: 1. Going after a player like this with other teams not knowing would be mean less chance of a bidding war happening. Perhaps this is actually smart in that regard. 2. Canucks had more control over the timing since it was not just being a player available. Could this have been done at the draft then? I know this contradicts one of my earlier posts but I'm trying to figure things out like everyone else. This info makes one question about the timing even more. The only conjecture that i have is that the Canucks thought the islanders are making the playoffs and that the pick will be around 20 or worse and that it’s value will be lower come the off-season. While Detroit wanted to roll the dice and gamble on getting a mid first pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Miller to the Rangers for Lafreniere! How many contracts can they squeeze!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I like the player, I have watched a number of Redwing games. I do not like this trade I think it is crazy to lose two high picks and an upcoming salary that will be large…crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Lock Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, jyu said: This info makes one question about the timing even more. The only conjecture that i have is that the Canucks thought the islanders are making the playoffs and that the pick will be around 20 or worse and that it’s value will be lower come the off-season. While Detroit wanted to roll the dice and gamble on getting a mid first pick. If you look at the eastern conference standings, the Islanders are currently 7th and would make the playoffs as things stand whereas the Red Wings are at the back of that closely-knit pack at 13th. There's a lot of competition for those last 2 slots so I could see either way of thinking happening with any of those teams, whether it's getting better through acquiring Horvat or getting worse through trading away Hronek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jester13 said: He cares a lot about this org building a true contender rather than continuing the cycle of mediocrity. Nah, he could careless if the team wins or not. he just needs eyes on his writing. that's how he makes a living. Edited March 3, 2023 by Jaimito 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Oh my god, Drance is an intolerable suck. What a whiney baby, holy crap. He must live alone, or maybe he's taken half a dozen cats as hostages (aka company). 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, NUCKER67 said: Oh my god, Drance is an intolerable suck. What a whiney baby, holy crap. He must live alone, or maybe he's taken half a dozen cats as hostages (aka company). I've never been able to stand the guy even when he's not whining. When he's whining about something it just makes it that much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Worse in the short- and long-term because it helps us win now and next year, and that's not good for our long-term future (his premise). There's a division between fans with the direction of the team: build for the future or build for the now and short term. Those in favour of this trade are thinking short term. I generally do not agree with drance all that much. But i think a patient two year retool would have worked out for this team. Suck for two seasons but be good two years out. with how quick the drafted players make the NHL these days, the guys we draft in 2023 will start knocking on the door in 2025. Petey, Hughes are still young enough that we could have a good five to seven year window from that point on. If we are in the playoffs next year, 2023 draft is the only year where we will have a chance to add a game changer through the draft. If we fail to do so, we will be a mediocre team for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Jaimito said: Nah, he could careless if the team wins or not. he just needs eyes on his writing. that's how makes a living. He has said lots of times that he's a Canucks fan. He wants them to win. He would much rather report - and the same goes for the rest of the media pundits - about an elite contending playoff team each year than what he's been forced to report on these last many years. The reason why I agree with him is because I don't see this team as contending with the likes of Boston, Tampa, Carolina, Colorado, New York, etc. We're not even close, yet we're mortgaging our future, yet again. As I mentioned earlier, we've traded away something like three of our last four 1st rounders, yet we're 27th in point percentage. Drance is bang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Miller to the Rangers for Lafreniere! How many contracts can they squeeze!! @-DLC- 's favorite two players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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