Nucker 67 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: If we're doing a chocolate debate, Twix hands down I'm partial to Snickers, Wunderbar and Mr. Big Been a long time since I've had one though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: This is really the thing that explains the model we have chosen. This fan base celebrates such moderate success and keeps coming back for more moderate success. We have had really 3 eras of short lived good teams, the Bure/Linden years, the WCE and the Sedin era, and that is a total of about 10 years of good hockey over 50 of mostly basement dweller/lower third level team. The team is supported by a dedicated fan base. We can continue to be risk averse and continue being a mediocre franchise. We are still living off the good will of the Sedin era and the presence of two of the best players in franchise history will continue to sell tickets. I was just hoping to see a cogent, focused plan to try to win with them instead of the same ongoing plan of the last decade with a bit better pros scouting. Never pretended to speak for all the fans or more than just myself. Don’t care about polls. ‘The PR nightmare that our front-office propagated throughout the year is more damaging for a lot of things you sited but the fact that we are trying to move in two directions at once and going nowhere is likely more damaging to recruitment. Sure the owner has insisted upon this direction since he bought the club. But with Gillis at the helm it worked. We had a core pretty much in place to which Gillis added (retooled) an excellent supporting cast. It seems the current management is in a similar circumstance to when Gillis took over. They could, if retooling the supporting cast works, have success. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm partial to Snickers, Wunderbar and Mr. Big Been a long time since I've had one though The mini chocolate scotch filled bottles win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: Who is in net province hinted demko, said delia will start vs coyotes but not confirmed. Stars have been relying on oettinger but they tend to split back to backs so i assume murray will start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 hours ago, -DLC- said: Birthday boy's gonna slay it. JT's 30 today but I wouldn't put him out to pasture too soon. Cheers to one helluva hockey player who we're lucky to have here. Let's go Canucks...I'm loving hockey these days and winning's much better than losing. Even if it costs us in the end, it's got it's benefits in the here and now with these players. Happy Birthday you 'ol Fart JT ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: This is really the thing that explains the model we have chosen. This fan base celebrates such moderate success and keeps coming back for more moderate success. We have had really 3 eras of short lived good teams, the Bure/Linden years, the WCE and the Sedin era, and that is a total of about 10 years of good hockey over 50 of mostly basement dweller/lower third level team. The team is supported by a dedicated fan base. We can continue to be risk averse and continue being a mediocre franchise. We are still living off the good will of the Sedin era and the presence of two of the best players in franchise history will continue to sell tickets. I was just hoping to see a cogent, focused plan to try to win with them instead of the same ongoing plan of the last decade with a bit better pros scouting. Never pretended to speak for all the fans or more than just myself. Don’t care about polls. ‘The PR nightmare that our front-office propagated throughout the year is more damaging for a lot of things you sited but the fact that we are trying to move in two directions at once and going nowhere is likely more damaging to recruitment. We were a goalpost away from potentially winning the cup in 1994. We were a goaltender away from potentially winning the cup in 2003. We were the cup favourites in 2011 but somehow still managed to lose even with a pretty complete team. So, we had our shots. Winning isn't just about having the best team. You need some luck as well. We had a window to really break the team down and do some type of a rebuild after 2014. Unfortunately, even with some high top 6 picks we managed to screw that up, along with some of the worst trades in franchise history. So, that window is gone now. However, through all of those blunders, we still managed to collect enough high picks to draft 3 core players to build around. Which is what we are doing now. A full rebuild would mean losing those core players that we spent so much time drafting and developing, so at the end of the day we are not in a situation to rebuild. However, we are in a situation where we can retool on the fly. Which is what JR/PA are doing right now. They didn't do much in the first few months but are quite active now and are not yet finished. I'm excited to see the finished product. I think we are about 2 years away from seeing that. Edited March 14, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm partial to Snickers, Wunderbar and Mr. Big Been a long time since I've had one though Coffee Crisp, Wunderbar, Oh Henry. Sometimes Kit Kat. Or Purdy's or Roger's Chocolates in Victoria. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: We were a goalpost away from potentially winning the cup in 1994. We were a goaltender away from potentially winning the cup in 2003. We were the cup favourites in 2011 but somehow still managed to lose even with a pretty complete team. So, we had our shots. Winning isn't just about having the best team. You need some luck as well. We had a window to really break the team down and do some type of a rebuild after 2014. Unfortunately, even with some high top 6 picks we managed to screw that up, along with some of the worst trades in franchise history. So, that window is gone now as through all of those blunders, we still managed to collect enough high picks to draft 3 core players to build around. Which is what we are doing now. A full rebuild would mean losing those core players that we spent so much time drafting and developing, so at the end of the day we are not in a situation to rebuild. However, we are in a situation where we can retool on the fly. Which is what JR/PA are doing right now. They didn't do much in the first few months, but are quite active now and are not yet finished. I'm excited to see the finished product. I think we are about 2 years away from seeeing that. Retool the retool done by a tool. Yup. That isn’t necessarily what a rebuild means. Again poor nomenclature and things are done in degrees. LA didn’t do a full tear down rebuild by your definition, they kept a core group. I like some of what PA/JR have done, but I liked some of what Benning did. I think the plan we are working is the less likely path to success but it still could work, there is a lot of randomness to hockey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Coffee Crisp, Wunderbar, Oh Henry. Sometimes Kit Kat. Or Purdy's or Roger's Chocolates in Victoria. Crispy Crunch, Reeses Cups, Peanut Butter Twix and Three Musketeers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: This is really the thing that explains the model we have chosen. This fan base celebrates such moderate success and keeps coming back for more moderate success. We have had really 3 eras of short lived good teams, the Bure/Linden years, the WCE and the Sedin era, and that is a total of about 10 years of good hockey over 50 of mostly basement dweller/lower third level team. The team is supported by a dedicated fan base. We can continue to be risk averse and continue being a mediocre franchise. We are still living off the good will of the Sedin era and the presence of two of the best players in franchise history will continue to sell tickets. I was just hoping to see a cogent, focused plan to try to win with them instead of the same ongoing plan of the last decade with a bit better pros scouting. Never pretended to speak for all the fans or more than just myself. Don’t care about polls. ‘The PR nightmare that our front-office propagated throughout the year is more damaging for a lot of things you sited but the fact that we are trying to move in two directions at once and going nowhere is likely more damaging to recruitment. You speak "THE TRUTH" ! ...............and why many Millenials will unfortunately not understand the Pain & Suffering that long-time Canucks Fans had endured for over half a century. The worst part of this current edition of mgmt is that it seems we're going right back into yet another re-tool, tinkering along the edges and putting fingers all over the leaky dike with all these peripheral trades and signings - rather than rebuild the frail dike - which is what I would have expected after several years of failure with this same old core of incompatible players and which JR saId himself......"REQUIRED MAJOR SURGERY"! What happened to that JR? P.S.: Don't hold your breath! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karvalegov Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, grumpyone said: no Who is on first. What is on second then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sure the owner has insisted upon this direction since he bought the club. But with Gillis at the helm it worked. We had a core pretty much in place to which Gillis added (retooled) an excellent supporting cast. It seems the current management is in a similar circumstance to when Gillis took over. They could, if retooling the supporting cast works, have success. There is certainly some merit and possibility that could happen but that require precision surgery to extract and replace just the right "Broken Pieces" of the machinery and insert just "the right" replacement parts without upsetting anything further. If JR can do that - he'll impress everyone indeed but at some point if the precision surgery isn't going well, then Major surgery will be required and I thought that was what JR said was needed but so far that han't happened in ernest - but I'll give him more time to be fair because realistically I know untangling that bumbling idiot Jim Benning's mess will take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: And poorly defined nomenclature just makes it more confusing everyone defines retools and rebuild differently. ‘Think we have done good job adding pieces but have made a few mistakes in the name of rushing things that will increase chance of short term moderate success but decrease the chance of long-term high-end success. Wallow in the middle is our game plan, now see if management can actually get us to the middle. Middle needs to be crossed to make it to the top though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, VancouverHabitant said: Middle needs to be crossed to make it to the top though! 50 years we have made it above he mean about 10 of them. The middle is a desert the Canucks fans rarely make the other side of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: Not really related to this game specifically but I'm honestly sick of this team constantly being at the bottom. A rebuild would mean more time at the bottom and there's no guarantee a rebuild even succeeds. Look at PHX, look at BUF. How much longer is everyone willing to be miserable? If (and that's a big IF) a rebuild were to actually succeed, you also need a lot of good fortune and the proper management/ownership in place that has that long term vision set without going off course. You also need an ownership that will be fully onboard. It's very f**king clear ownership will not let a proper rebuild happen. I only started taking this management seriously the month leading up to the trade deadline when they started with the Bo trade and ended off with the Hronek acquisition. JR and PA showed that when they actually go to work (it took them a while) they are aggressive. They got that elite, young RHD that Benning couldn't do ever since Tanev left (Schmidt was a fail). If management can really actually do this and a retool helps us finally compete after years and years of misery then let's f**king go. I'm willing to give them more of a chance and seeing what they can do from here on out (in the offseason). A lot of good fortune is something that I think gets overlooked. Some really, really good teams don't win the Stanley Cup every single year. I mean, the Bruins have done everything right and have created a monster of a team, but if they get unlucky with injuries or go on a cold streak at the wrong time or run in to an insanely good goaltender they might not win the cup this year. Here's hoping! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Strawbone Posted March 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: We were a goalpost away from potentially winning the cup in 1994. We were a goaltender away from potentially winning the cup in 2003. We were the cup favourites in 2011 but somehow still managed to lose even with a pretty complete team. So, we had our shots. Winning isn't just about having the best team. You need some luck as well. We had a window to really break the team down and do some type of a rebuild after 2014. Unfortunately, even with some high top 6 picks we managed to screw that up, along with some of the worst trades in franchise history. So, that window is gone now. However, through all of those blunders, we still managed to collect enough high picks to draft 3 core players to build around. Which is what we are doing now. A full rebuild would mean losing those core players that we spent so much time drafting and developing, so at the end of the day we are not in a situation to rebuild. However, we are in a situation where we can retool on the fly. Which is what JR/PA are doing right now. They didn't do much in the first few months but are quite active now and are not yet finished. I'm excited to see the finished product. I think we are about 2 years away from seeing that. With the addition of Hronek, the maturation of Petey and Hughes, having a healthy Demko, and a top-6 group that is already excellent, I would argue that we are one Chris Tanev and one Manny Malhotra away from having a very good team. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Retool the retool done by a tool. Yup. That isn’t necessarily what a rebuild means. Again poor nomenclature and things are done in degrees. LA didn’t do a full tear down rebuild by your definition, they kept a core group. I like some of what PA/JR have done, but I liked some of what Benning did. I think the plan we are working is the less likely path to success but it still could work, there is a lot of randomness to hockey. The argument is that if Canucks trade Miller it signifies “rebuild” and to expect a few more years of losing. And the young core of “EP40, Hughes, and Demko” will want out because they don’t want to be in a rebuild. Unless Canucks can fix the D…with or without Miller, I still don’t see them making the playoffs at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said: I donough ... We'd be good friends in real life you and I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Did JT Miller just throw his ex-coaches and ex-captain under the bus? He said it's fun to come to the rink again, and it was previously a sh!tshow. Woah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassbs Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: Did JT Miller just throw his ex-coaches and ex-captain under the bus? He said it's fun to come to the rink again, and it was previously a sh!tshow. Woah. I feel like there were two factions of the Canucks. Team Miller and team horvat. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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