Baratheon Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: There’s little to no adjustment for a 4th line role. And yes, the he can’t play rhetoric is beyond stupid. He’s not a top 6 forward anymore but on a 4th line 8-12 minutes/night role he is absolutely not a detriment to any team. So you can't be responsible for more points against than the amount that you produce? Is that what you're telling me? Or does his fist swinging make up for that? In which case I ask you (again) at what point do you draw the line? Edited June 26, 2023 by Baratheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Canucks are out on him according to RD. End of story. Edited June 26, 2023 by The Arrogant Worms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Baratheon said: So you can't be responsible for more points against than the amount that you produce? Is that what you're telling me? Or does his fist swinging make up for that? In which case I ask you (again) at what point do you draw the line? Again putting words in my mouth, and while it is possible he is not that liability even on a Flames team that was utter garbage last year in revolt against a shit coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: A 20 point 4th liner is far from a detriment to the team. 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Again putting words in my mouth Feel free to explain then. I understand that you believe that Lucic justifies his (almost) 20 points at this age (and hope that he can produce something similar on a new team). If he is a defensive liability (despite those crazy offensive numbers) then why do you feel he will help the team? I assume it has to do with fighting... no? So I ask (once again) at what point do you draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Baratheon said: Feel free to explain then. I understand that you believe that Lucic justifies his (almost) 20 points at this age (and hope that he can produce something similar on a new team). If he is a defensive liability (despite those crazy offensive numbers) then why do you feel he will help the team? I assume it has to do with fighting... no? So I ask (once again) at what point do you draw the line? Cute attempt to discredit him he had 21 points the year before, he missed 5 games and was on pace for 20 points. He has a 2 year rolling average of 20 points a year. It was also the first time he failed to score 20 points barely, in 16 years. He would be in a fourth line role, on a near minimum contract. He’d be replacing AHL fodder, tough as nails, if he even just matched last seasons numbers he would be our 4th lines leading scorer by 3, 7, and 11 points respectively. He would also be 4th on the team in hits, while providing legitimate push back and net clearing ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teepain Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Makes more sense for them to target reaves, i mean rutherford gave a first round pick for him in pitts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teepain Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: How is he the better player if his career high point total is 13 points less than Lucic scored last year, his career high games played is 31 games less than Lucic played this year, he can’t beat him in a fight, and his career high in hits is 82 less than Lucic had last year… Nice lobby for lucic but he aint coming here, do you really think after how vancouver fans treated his family here during the stanley cup playoffs 2011. that its not in the back of his mind still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, teepain said: Nice lobby for lucic but he aint coming here, do you really think after how vancouver fans treated his family here during the stanley cup playoffs 2011. that its not in the back of his mind still Vancouver fans did help chase out Bure siding with management in his negotiations too, we’re sadly not lumped in with the brightest of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 I’ve been told this morning Vancouver is out on Milan Lucic. It’s not going to happen, for whatever reason… but they did investigate. They were one of the teams to talk to Lucic’s agent,” Dhaliwal said on Donnie and Dhali today. Nucks out, bullet dodged! good non pick up by PA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, combover said: I’ve been told this morning Vancouver is out on Milan Lucic. It’s not going to happen, for whatever reason… but they did investigate. They were one of the teams to talk to Lucic’s agent,” Dhaliwal said on Donnie and Dhali today. Nucks out, bullet dodged! good non pick up by PA Never believe anything the agents or GMs say this time of year but if true thank goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Baratheon said: So you can't be responsible for more points against than the amount that you produce? Is that what you're telling me? Or does his fist swinging make up for that? In which case I ask you (again) at what point do you draw the line? Yes, fist swinging does indeed make up for a lot. Nobody is icing Reaves, Deslauriers, or Lucic to be analytic darlings on the 4th line that may get scratched some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 29 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: Yes, fist swinging does indeed make up for a lot. Nobody is icing Reaves, Deslauriers, or Lucic to be analytic darlings on the 4th line that may get scratched some games. Deslauriers can actually PK as well as play W or D and had almost twice the number of hits as Lucic (i.e. can actually still keep up at an NHL pace). Reaves is barely surviving, averaging under 10 min a game last year and probably won't get a contract this summer. The NHL is running out of room for bottom 6 players who can't also contribute on special teams or play a match-up role. Personally I'd rather bring back Lammikko for his 20 points who can also PK vs bring in Lucic who would be chasing the play most of the game until he gets his 1 solid hit in and has a staged fight once every 15-20 games (he only had 3 fights last season). Lucic is not the player he used to be. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 “is Butterbean okay?” - (concussed) Johnny Knoxville 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: How is he the better player if his career high point total is 13 points less than Lucic scored last year, his career high games played is 31 games less than Lucic played this year, he can’t beat him in a fight, and his career high in hits is 82 less than Lucic had last year… He's not old and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 5/30/2023 at 2:47 PM, 250Integra said: Mikheyev-Pettersson-Kuzmenko Beauvillier-Miller-Boeser Podkolzin-_____-Garland Joshua-Aman-Hoglander Extras: McDonough, Di Giuseppe, Studnicka... To be honest, we don't really have room for him unless we're not re-signing Aman and we're trading away one or more of our current wingers. Beauviller is not a 2nd line player and neither is Boeser Boeser at his contract stings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, BertaNuck said: Beauviller is not a 2nd line player and neither is Boeser Boeser at his contract stings Yup. New Beau (who is better than elephant old Bo) is a first liner. He was awesome with Petey and Kuz Missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. New Beau (who is better than elephant old Bo) is a first liner. He was awesome with Petey and Kuz Missile. Yup good deal made better with Hronek! Time for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolexSub Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Being a team that has been lacking toughness since losing the Stanley Cup, I am all for getting more grit and toughness. That is something we have been lacking and everyone knows it!!! As long as we don't pay him more than $1.5M then it's a good deal on both ends. He can finish his career in Vancouver!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Thankful for this news. I don't think I was as dead set against Lucic as some, but definitely did not want to see him on our bottom 4th line. I'm all for increasing team toughness, but do it with players who can still keep up with the game. This team needs to be faster, not more Lucicy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: It disturbs me greatly that the Canucks were even in the mix to begin with. Edited June 27, 2023 by dougieL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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