Warhippy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I suppose the bright side of all this, I doubt Chicago will be scraping the bottom of the standings this year. Great news everyone Celbrini to Hawks confirmed!! Wait.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Great news everyone Celbrini to Hawks confirmed!! Wait.... Goes back to haunting the site of the Denman Arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Goes back to haunting the site of the Denman Arena. Honestly, it makes me kinda sick to know that this is actually close to being the single most logical scenario based on things in the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Bailey the real winner of this trade Gets a chance to double dip, he's overpaid as is but someone would probably pay him a little for a bottom six role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Not bad for the Hawks but why buy him out next tdl could get a 4th or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: hence i'm not a fan of the OEL buy out.. we are not competing with the current lineup as is with all the cap tied down to middling wingers if they are not doing anything for this and next season where the cap benefit from the buy out is at it's peak.. there's really no point of buying out OEL and should have just rode out his contract or hope for LTIR at some point. other than being a PITA.. garland doesn't really bring anything.. his production have been on the decline every year since the trade from arizona.. his 1st season with the canucks if he didn't go on a tear in april in the mean nothing games.. with 16 points.. in half a month.. 1/3 of his total points.. he woulda finished sub 40 points.. his mins was further reduced once RT took over the team.. he was avg 12-14 mins in march/april.. where's the value in a tiny player that's been declining in production over the last 2 years with his mins reduced each season and can't play the penalty kill? he's not good enough to be a regular top 6.. and he's paid too much to be a 3rd liner that can't pk. his only value is a PITA that's overpaid by about 1-1.5mil based on his current performance. if they have patience then they wouldn't have bought out OEL Things to consider... In Arizona, they were really shallow on forward depth and he was playing top 6 minutes every night, almost 18 minutes per game on average. He was relied upon to be one of their main offensive tools. In Vancouver, he's been playing closer to mid 14 - 15 minutes a night as we have more top level offense. His role shifted a little to being cast in a role of middle 6 energy and 2nd unit power play as opposed to first unit power play. Based on that, his production hasn't really fallen off and it did pickup once we changed coach to Tocchet. He also was extremely effective at the Worlds where he was again used more as a regular offensive tool. Is he overpaid, probably, he should have been closer to the 3.75 - 4 million range, but as with most GM's when they are negotiating contracts with guys who are approaching UFA, they are buying years of UFA service and they rely on the idea that with a rising cap, that the contract will look better about 1/2 way through and forward than it looks in year 1 and 2. This wasn't just a Benning thing, this is ALL GM's in the NHL do this. GM's all go nuts on July 1st and start signing contracts that shouldn't be signed. Once that starts, his numbers and overall capability will come into play and there should be a market for him. Right now, I'm sure that teams are doing bargain shopping as most teams are constrained on cap and the few that aren't are trying to weaponize that as much as possible. The end of the day, fans need to remember that as we sit now, we are a cap compliant team. There's not a hell of a lot of players that we should be targeting in free agency, and at forward, Garland is likely better than anyone we could win a bidding war on. We may very well decide to roll into camp with few other changes other than buying out OEL and adding a couple of depth pieces, knowing that EVERY YEAR, there will be more cap flexibility as players in Vancouver and players around the league encounter injuries which force teams to be more aggressive in what they do to trade for players that they can plug holes with. Happens every year without exception. So, I have no problem seeing this team just sit pat and wait it out till Camp and see how the team is unfolding once they get back on ice. We don't HAVE to do ANYTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) I'm confused. Chicago trades for Bailey and only get future considerations back and now they buy him out? Why not just keep him and flip him at the deadline at 50% retained for a pick? I'm sure if Bailey played with Bedard he could put up 40-50 points... Oh wait, they got a 2nd round pick 10 years from now... Edited June 29, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: I'm confused. Chicago trades for Bailey and only get future considerations back and now they buy him out? Why not just keep him and flip him at the deadline at 50% retained for a pick? I'm sure if Bailey played with Bedard he could put up 40-50 points... They got a 2nd round pick. Chicago is sending future considerations to NYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, mll said: They got a 2nd round pick. Chicago is sending future considerations to NYI. Sure, but why buy him out? Couldn't they have flipped him at the deadline at 50% retention for another pick? Also, the 2nd round pick is like 5 years from now... Edited June 29, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure, but why buy him out? Couldn't they have flipped him at the deadline at 50% retention for another pick? Also, the 2nd round pick is like 5 years from now... Yes 5 years when they get two to three firsts,start winning,load up and sign a couple good ufa's then flip that 2nd plus to get say a great D or goalie. Makes sense to use that in the future to grab a player plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure, but why buy him out? Couldn't they have flipped him at the deadline at 50% retention for another pick? Also, the 2nd round pick is like 5 years from now... Cap space is still limited at the TDL. A 5M contract even at 50% retained is high for someone that would be a depth add when there are depth players at 2M or less. Chicago not projected to be a good team so his numbers might look ugly too. A player like Bjustadt was only a 450K cap hit vs Bailey at 2.5M - would limit other moves. There are also only 3 retention spots so need to use them wisely and an overpaid struggling winger will probably not bring much of a return. Playing 3rd party broker might bring back more - Arizona for example got a 3rd round pick in the Kane trade. Edited June 29, 2023 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Mando27 said: Going to fly past us in the standings in a few years. Until Bedard demands $12m a year for his second deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: Things to consider... In Arizona, they were really shallow on forward depth and he was playing top 6 minutes every night, almost 18 minutes per game on average. He was relied upon to be one of their main offensive tools. In Vancouver, he's been playing closer to mid 14 - 15 minutes a night as we have more top level offense. His role shifted a little to being cast in a role of middle 6 energy and 2nd unit power play as opposed to first unit power play. Based on that, his production hasn't really fallen off and it did pickup once we changed coach to Tocchet. He also was extremely effective at the Worlds where he was again used more as a regular offensive tool. Is he overpaid, probably, he should have been closer to the 3.75 - 4 million range, but as with most GM's when they are negotiating contracts with guys who are approaching UFA, they are buying years of UFA service and they rely on the idea that with a rising cap, that the contract will look better about 1/2 way through and forward than it looks in year 1 and 2. This wasn't just a Benning thing, this is ALL GM's in the NHL do this. GM's all go nuts on July 1st and start signing contracts that shouldn't be signed. Once that starts, his numbers and overall capability will come into play and there should be a market for him. Right now, I'm sure that teams are doing bargain shopping as most teams are constrained on cap and the few that aren't are trying to weaponize that as much as possible. The end of the day, fans need to remember that as we sit now, we are a cap compliant team. There's not a hell of a lot of players that we should be targeting in free agency, and at forward, Garland is likely better than anyone we could win a bidding war on. We may very well decide to roll into camp with few other changes other than buying out OEL and adding a couple of depth pieces, knowing that EVERY YEAR, there will be more cap flexibility as players in Vancouver and players around the league encounter injuries which force teams to be more aggressive in what they do to trade for players that they can plug holes with. Happens every year without exception. So, I have no problem seeing this team just sit pat and wait it out till Camp and see how the team is unfolding once they get back on ice. We don't HAVE to do ANYTHING! his points production did not pickup under RT he has 2g 7 points in all of march and his mins are reduced. it doesn't matter what he's playing in arizona.. he's being paid like a top 6 and he's really not good enough for a top 6 role.. if you are paid 5mil.. and you can't play the PK.. then i'm sure your role would be to produce not be a mediocre middle 6 energy guy. against the tougher teams the playoff teams he has 21 points but is a -17 he's too small too ineffective against the playoff teams and he feast on the inferior competition. of course we don't have to do anything.. if their goal is to miss the playoff again this season.. the OEL buyout makes 0 sense if they are not planning to compete in this 2 season where the cap relief is the greatest.. you buy out OEL just so you don't have to pay a sweetener or forced to move a boeser garland beau or myers and then just replace OEL in FA? that's their master plan? and this team will all of a sudden be a playoff team? we are 14-26-3 or something against the playoff teams even worse than last season.. right now we dont even have a 3c missing 2 top 4 d with a little over 6mil in cap space... but it's ok we dont have to do anything and continue to be this middling team not good enough for the playoff not bad enough for the lottery for a few more season. even with injuries.. there'll be plenty of better options than garland boeser out there from other teams that want to dump cap that are more agressive so we'll just have to ride those contract out no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: Until Bedard demands $12m a year for his second deal If he’s earned it like McDavid/MacKinnon etc. literally no one is complaining about that raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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