Gurn Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Out Luke Schenn- 6 fights last season K Burroughs- 8 fights In C Soucy 2 fights I Cole 1 fight T Blueger 0 fights Matt Irwin 4 fights Out Luke Schenn 318 hits K Burroughs 165 hits In Soucy 143 hits cole 117 Blueger 71 hits Irwin 117 hits While fighting is dying out, it is still part of the league, and the drop in hits is also concerning. Looks like a trade of toughness for penalty killing. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 Schenn is slow, Burroughs is barely an NHL player. The Canucks improved their D yesterday. That's all I need to know. 6 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gurn said: Out Luke Schenn- 6 fights last season K Burroughs- 8 fights In C Soucy 2 fights I Cole 1 fight T Blueger 0 fights Matt Irwin 4 fights Out Luke Schenn 318 hits K Burroughs 165 hits In Soucy 143 hits cole 117 Blueger 71 hits Irwin 117 hits While fighting is dying out, it is still part of the league, and the drop in hits is also concerning. Looks like a trade of toughness for penalty killing. Jules will boost up the hit #'s if he's in Van 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 I just care about wins 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baratheon Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 Nah! We had a lot of fights last year but nobody was intimidated by it. We got tougher to play against on the ice and I'm not concerned about the new guys getting pushed around after the whistles. The difference in hits isn't much. (483 vs 448) If we're throwing less hits because we have the puck and aren't chasing it then that's a good thing. 2 4 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, Gurn said: Out Luke Schenn- 6 fights last season K Burroughs- 8 fights In C Soucy 2 fights I Cole 1 fight T Blueger 0 fights Matt Irwin 4 fights Out Luke Schenn 318 hits K Burroughs 165 hits In Soucy 143 hits cole 117 Blueger 71 hits Irwin 117 hits While fighting is dying out, it is still part of the league, and the drop in hits is also concerning. Looks like a trade of toughness for penalty killing. Fights are whatever, but the hit totals were a result of our horrible possession play. You throw more hits chasing the play than you do if you we're in control of the puck. While it remains to be seen if our defensive play and PK improve, the new additions provide some versatility and size that should make a difference compared to last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Also missing Hronek and his 100+ hits. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 also missing Myers and his 93 hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HKSR said: Also missing Hronek and his 100+ hits. I'll wait to see if, and how, he plays next year before adding him in. Shoulder injuries worry me. Edited July 2, 2023 by Gurn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 i want two smashy bangy Bennett type agitating piles of crap that can play really well, plus one nuclear deterrent that can hit like a truck and nobody in their right mind would fight. That is all. Thank you. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Was going to reply Toto bidet when I saw the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Guy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I've been saying it for over a decade, we are way to soft, started with AVs bubble gum chewing, turn the other cheek attitude and festered into what we are today, a team who nicknames their player huggy bear. This team has no hope till they address this attitude yet sadly I'll keep hoping for a miracle for another 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeQuinnAndEggs Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, Wise Guy said: I've been saying it for over a decade, we are way to soft, started with AVs bubble gum chewing, turn the other cheek attitude and festered into what we are today, a team who nicknames their player huggy bear. This team has no hope till they address this attitude yet sadly I'll keep hoping for a miracle for another 50 years. None of us can predict the future but if there is any coach in the world who can teach tough hockey, we got him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 I don't equate being soft to not fighting (or even hitting) much...it's overall physicality for me. The quality of hits matters to me as much as quantity. Timing and whether or not it pulls a guy out of the play. Finishing checks, being hard to move off the puck, etc. I do hope that Soucy uses his size a bit more/better than Myers does...it's few and far between with Myers but he certainly has the capability to lay out some huge hits. I used to love it when Edler stood guys up at the blueline...more of that kind of toughness. Myers uses his stick and throws his body on the ice like a speedbump more often than he moves guys off the puck physically. I like him best when he engages more. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, -DLC- said: Myers uses his stick and throws his body on the ice like a speedbump more often than he moves guys off the puck physically. I like him best when he engages more. Myers could have been a fan favourite. The bone crushing hits on Tavares and Keith as example. The playoffs in the bubble. Problem is he plays scared, he gets in trouble with the refs. He often gets penalties for just being too big. He would have benefited for a mentor with similar size. He just doesn’t know how to use it properly and honestly I think the refs screw him a lot of the times Edited July 2, 2023 by Devron 1 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Guy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said: None of us can predict the future but if there is any coach in the world who can teach tough hockey, we got him. I hope you're right but changing the culture of a team is a tough job and I'll always be hopeful but the logical side of me says we're a long ways off from being a legit contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Guy Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, -DLC- said: I don't equate being soft to not fighting (or even hitting) much...it's overall physicality for me. The quality of hits matters to me as much as quantity. Timing and whether or not it pulls a guy out of the play. Finishing checks, being hard to move off the puck, etc. I do hope that Soucy uses his size a bit more/better than Myers does...it's few and far between with Myers but he certainly has the capability to lay out some huge hits. I used to love it when Edler stood guys up at the blueline...more of that kind of toughness. Myers uses his stick and throws his body on the ice like a speedbump more often than he moves guys off the puck physically. I like him best when he engages more. I equate being to soft or tough as attitude, a 5'10" guy making a hit after one of his teammates got hit is a statement that you're a tough team, skating away and no one doing anything let's the other team know they can get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barnstorm Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GhostsOf1994 said: also missing Myers and his 93 hits This one counts as 75 bringing Myers total to 168… Edited July 2, 2023 by Barnstorm 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeQuinnAndEggs Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wise Guy said: I hope you're right but changing the culture of a team is a tough job and I'll always be hopeful but the logical side of me says we're a long ways off from being a legit contender. We are a long way away but we have had quite the personnel change in the last few years, the entire front office and coaching staff, our former captain who likes to tell people things for free, half our D core. I'm excited for next year, I'm really trying to not have high expectations cause I'm sick of being disappointed. So I'm just excited too see what brand of hockey we play. I also hope that by the all star break we finally have a "team identity". There has been many conversations about this teams identity or lack there of for 10 years or so. I hope they give Miller the C, he's Tocchet's guy and I think having a guy like Miller captain Tocchets team will fast track that identity coming to fruition. GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 I understand the concern, but I didn’t think our problems the past few years stem from a lack of toughness. We’ve always been among league leaders in fights and probably hits. Meanwhile, we’re bringing in guys who are harder to play against hockey-wise. That seems to be the key. We’ll miss Schenn as a true heavyweight but adding Cole and Soucy, while likely keeping Myers means our back end has some decent size. Hronek plays hard. It’s a new league - the odd team capable of bullying us in the playoffs doesn’t seem like a pressing concern while we figure out how to make it there in the first place. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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