[Signing] Lightning re-sign Tanner Jeannot

[DownUndaCanuck]

Even if he plays at his best next year, massive overpayment. He was dreadful last year with Tampa so even worse.

 

One of the worst trades I can remember. The Granlund for a 2nd sounded bad but he just under-performed for 20 odd games whereas Jeannot was and never should be worth an entire draft class.

[IBatch]

15 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:

I wouldn’t look too hard into that. Tampa has been overpaying for good 3rd liners on team friendly deals for about 3 to 4 years now. They paid a lot for Jeannot, Hagel, Coleman and Goodrow. When you’re a team tight to the cap with cup contention every year you need to find players that can give you more than their contract pays them. I didn’t like the price of any of these trades for them at the time they were made but it’s hard to argue the Hagel one now. Guy produced 64 points last year at 1.5 million and is signed for one more season on the cheap 1.5 mill rate. Tampa is trying to find guys that might have some untapped potential maybe feel if Jeannot is given a shot in the top 6 he could keep up and elevate his game.

This is more or less exactly what some were saying when this trade happened.   You can hardly criticize them considering how good they've been for how long. In the cap era, they haven't won a third cup, but would consider their length of time at or near the top better than CHI's.   Really they've been a great team going back to before 2011.   Only a few hiccups.  Basically since Stamkos second year.   How old is he now?

Edited July 16, 2023 by IBatch

[D-Money]

3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Even if he plays at his best next year, massive overpayment. He was dreadful last year with Tampa so even worse.

 

One of the worst trades I can remember. The Granlund for a 2nd sounded bad but he just under-performed for 20 odd games whereas Jeannot was and never should be worth an entire draft class.

Just when Jeannot looked like he was settling in with the team last year, he suffered a freak injury that held him out till the playoffs. Even in the playoffs, he played a bit, but it wasn’t his true game. I remember a Tampa reporter saying the team was surprised that he could play at all. So I wouldn’t gauge too much off what he did in his brief stint with Tampa last year.

 

That said, it was a ridiculous overpayment. For a team that has successfully minded talent deep into the draft for years, punting on the entire draft in a class heralded as one of the strongest ever, for a bottom-6 undrafted guy was just strange. But they obviously feel there is something truly special about Jeannot, and Nashville didn’t want to let him go unless it was a deal they literally could not say no to.

[Drakrami]

18 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Couldn't help but wonder if TBay's sweetheart draft pick pkg was pre-planned compensation for Preds accepting the McDonagh albatross? Such a shady casino of a league...

? That wouldn't make sense much. They could have just included the draft picks in the McDonagh trade itself instead of hiding it in the Jeannot trade? McDonagh is still a good defenseman who Nashville played 20+mins a night when they were still trying to make the playoffs last season. 

[hammertime]

9 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said:

How this trash bag fetched 5 draft picks and now 5.3mil over 2 years is crazy. He hits I guess. Probably cause the opposing team has the puck when he's on the ice. Samething with Greenway. Overrated physical presences but borderline liabilities at the game of hockey.

You couldn't be more wrong. Jeannot would put up 25-30g on Pete or Miller's wing in addition to being a pugnacious force on the ice 

[Gurn]

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2014-15	Moose Jaw Warriors	WHL	52	1	4	5	8	-13	--	--	--	--	--
2015-16	Moose Jaw Warriors	WHL	72	17	16	33	65	3	10	6	9	15	11
2016-17	Moose Jaw Warriors	WHL	71	19	33	52	84	13	7	0	1	1	8
2017-18	Moose Jaw Warriors	WHL	72	40	40	80	83	49	13	3	5	8	12
2018-19	Milwaukee Admirals	AHL	37	7	4	11	39	0	3	0	0	0	0
2019-20	Florida Everblades	ECHL	3	4	1	5	6	3
2019-20	Milwaukee Admirals	AHL	57	5	15	20	87	6
2020-21	Florida Everblades	ECHL	5	3	3	6	6	2	--	--	--	--	--
2020-21	Nashville Predators	NHL	15	5	2	7	2	6	5	0	1	1	2
2020-21	Chicago Wolves	AHL	13	10	11	21	33	13	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	Nashville Predators	NHL	81	24	17	41	130	2	4	0	1	1	0
2022-23	Nashville Predators	NHL	56	5	9	14	85	-1	--	--	--	--	--
2022-23	Tampa Bay Lightning	NHL	20	1	3	4	22	-6	3	0	0	0	5

 

Looks like a whole lot of  "meh"

[Gawdzukes]

7 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Even if he plays at his best next year, massive overpayment. He was dreadful last year with Tampa so even worse.

 

One of the worst trades I can remember. The Granlund for a 2nd sounded bad but he just under-performed for 20 odd games whereas Jeannot was and never should be worth an entire draft class.

 

3 hours ago, D-Money said:

Just when Jeannot looked like he was settling in with the team last year, he suffered a freak injury that held him out till the playoffs. Even in the playoffs, he played a bit, but it wasn’t his true game. I remember a Tampa reporter saying the team was surprised that he could play at all. So I wouldn’t gauge too much off what he did in his brief stint with Tampa last year.

 

That said, it was a ridiculous overpayment. For a team that has successfully minded talent deep into the draft for years, punting on the entire draft in a class heralded as one of the strongest ever, for a bottom-6 undrafted guy was just strange. But they obviously feel there is something truly special about Jeannot, and Nashville didn’t want to let him go unless it was a deal they literally could not say no to.

Not really a bad over payment though. Similar to Hagel, and Nick Paul, they target young players with lower salaries that they know will fit into their line-up in the future. As such they are in a unique position to provide more value to their team then they would to others. In the long run it's a price to field an elite team capable of winning a Cup in any given season. It's been quite a brilliant move for them in the past actually. Really only the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd hold much value, So I look at it as giving up a first and second as the major pieces with a third thrown in. Scatter all the picks across multiple  years and it's really not as massive as it looks. They give up a second in 2024 and a first in 2025, the rest were from 2023. Really they can get by without the 2023 draft.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Gawdzukes

[DownUndaCanuck]

2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Not really a bad over payment though. Similar to Hagel, and Nick Paul, they target young players with lower salaries that they know will fit into their line-up in the future. As such they are in a unique position to provide more value to their team then they would to others. In the long run it's a price to field an elite team capable of winning a Cup in any given season. It's been quite a brilliant move for them in the past actually. Really only the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd hold much value, So I look at it as giving up a first and second as the major pieces with a third thrown in. Scatter all the picks across multiple  years and it's really not as massive as it looks. They give up a second in 2024 and a first in 2025, the rest were from 2023. Really they can get by without the 2023 draft.

A 1st and 2nd got Hronek - a top-4 25 year old two-way RD. A 1st and two seconds (kind of similar value to Jeannot, dare I say even less) managed to acquire a prime top defenceman like Chychrun (or even Provorov).

 

I get paying a premium for young guys on cheap contracts, but Jeannot isn't even that good. One 24, 40ish point season and that's it? Just because he's big, hits and racks up PIMs he seems to get a high trade value (but low salary value). Even at his best season he was basically a 3rd line winger.

 

I'd rather have a top-4 (arguably top-2) defenceman than a 3rd line grinder, surely you can acquire these guys elsewhere much cheaper or just draft a big body and develop them yourself.

[Alflives]

44 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

A 1st and 2nd got Hronek - a top-4 25 year old two-way RD. A 1st and two seconds (kind of similar value to Jeannot, dare I say even less) managed to acquire a prime top defenceman like Chychrun (or even Provorov).

 

I get paying a premium for young guys on cheap contracts, but Jeannot isn't even that good. One 24, 40ish point season and that's it? Just because he's big, hits and racks up PIMs he seems to get a high trade value (but low salary value). Even at his best season he was basically a 3rd line winger.

 

I'd rather have a top-4 (arguably top-2) defenceman than a 3rd line grinder, surely you can acquire these guys elsewhere much cheaper or just draft a big body and develop them yourself.

This signing is similar to the z islanders way over paying in trade and then in contract for Bo. 

[Iron Fist]

11 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

From who?

out of the 2024 UFA Defenseman not playing for contenders. There's Going to be  Tyler Myers, Noah Hanifan, Nikita Zaitsev, Tyson Barrie, Chris Tanev, Nikita Zadorov, Shayne Gostisbehere, and Brendan Dillon available at the deadline. Hanifan probably traded and signed before the season starts. At the trade deadline  for contenders looking at adding a 6th or 7th defensemen, out of the above mentioned names Myers @ 3M  should be in demand.

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

A 1st and 2nd got Hronek - a top-4 25 year old two-way RD. A 1st and two seconds (kind of similar value to Jeannot, dare I say even less) managed to acquire a prime top defenceman like Chychrun (or even Provorov).

 

I get paying a premium for young guys on cheap contracts, but Jeannot isn't even that good. One 24, 40ish point season and that's it? Just because he's big, hits and racks up PIMs he seems to get a high trade value (but low salary value). Even at his best season he was basically a 3rd line winger.

 

I'd rather have a top-4 (arguably top-2) defenceman than a 3rd line grinder, surely you can acquire these guys elsewhere much cheaper or just draft a big body and develop them yourself.

Yeah there is no one doing any favors for TB though and they couldn't afford Hronek anyway. That's why they're ok paying a premium in order to secure a low cost player. He fits into their elite team now, while they are perennial favorites. I agree it's definitely high, just TB doesn't really care all that much.

 

I for one can see the allure of Jeannot to TB. He's a glue guy that can hopefully play playoff hockey and make them a hard team to play against while he helps their stars take care of the scoring. He was one of the youngest, feistiest, hardnosed, bottom 6 players in the league in 2021 with a whopping 24 goals and 130 PIMS. He was always going to be expensive as TB is hoping to get that 25 goal player who brings a serious edge on top of that. Theoretically it should be possible in TB. They saw what they wanted and paid to make sure they got it.

 

I'd say a fair price maybe would have been a 1st, and a 3rd. They threw in a 2nd, and some scraps to make it happen.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Gawdzukes

[Biff Tannen]

1 hour ago, Iron Fist said:

out of the 2024 UFA Defenseman not playing for contenders. There's Going to be  Tyler Myers, Noah Hanifan, Nikita Zaitsev, Tyson Barrie, Chris Tanev, Nikita Zadorov, Shayne Gostisbehere, and Brendan Dillon available at the deadline. Hanifan probably traded and signed before the season starts. At the trade deadline  for contenders looking at adding a 6th or 7th defensemen, out of the above mentioned names Myers @ 3M  should be in demand.

Hmmm, maybe if Myers has a great season up until the TDL but I don't see it tbh. We'll revisit this in the Spring, if it turns out I'm wrong and he gets more than a 3rd I owe you a Coke.