High and Inside Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: exactly. Boston struck gold in 2014 with Pastknark pick, but blew it badly in 2015. New York Islanders blew it bad also in 2014 with Dal Cole. 5th overall. Edmonton &^@#ed up in 2016 also with Pool Party 4th overall. At least Olli didn't request a trade, he's willing to work his game in our system. Right. I just counted since Benning arrived in 6 drafts he has 7 NHL players and 13 that still have a good shot at making it. If you get 2 nhl players a year you’ve done pretty well so he should easily surpass that. The reaction on this board to EP getting drafted was brutal but every one loves that pick now. You just made a really good point of other teams misses. I’m not going to second guess Jim on the OJ pick. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Drakrami said: lol. Ashamed to see you are a Canucks fan. No manners. No class. Can't take an opinion that's different from yours. Childish insults? rofl. Get a life/grow up. Opinion? More like hindsight to look smart. Juolevi was known as the safe pick and the d-man that will play 15 years in the NHL, but I bet you can't remember that. Injuries have derailed that, however, that is unpredictable. I wanted Ehlers and Nylander in 2014, we picked Jake, I'm not crying about it. Every team has hits and misses, JB and crew have drafted well enough for me to not worry. Every individual with some common sense knows it is impossible to hit on every pick. Let Olli develop into the top 4 d-man that he has the potential to be. Edited December 19, 2019 by MrCanuck94 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, High and Inside said: Right. I just counted since Benning arrived in 6 drafts he has 7 NHL players and 13 that still have a good shot at making it. If you get 2 nhl players a year you’ve done pretty well so he should easily surpass that. The reaction on this board to EP getting drafted was brutal but every one loves that pick now. You just made a really good point of other teams misses. I’m not going to second guess Jim on the OJ pick. Just curious who those 13 would be? Juolevi Brisebois Dipietro Lind Rathbone Podkolzin Hoglander Woo Madden Tryamkin Rafferty? Fohct Lockwood I got 10 Edited December 19, 2019 by Gawdzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 hours ago, High and Inside said: People just need to get over that draft. The draft is far from a guarantee and mistakes happen. Benning easily won the 2017 draft and his other years are pretty good too. We got lots of NHL players in the pipeline..Pod, Lind, Rathbone,Madden, Diepetro just to name a few. All but one of those wasn’t drafted in the first round which is incredible. So just suck it up and let’s calm down and let OJ play and maybe he will become a top 4 still. If not we’ll so be it. lol benning did not win the 2017 draft.. Colorado did... ppg defenseman that can also play defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ppg centers.. the fact that we wasted 2 top 6 picks on atm non impact player and possible will never be impact player.. and we are sitting here watching this team struggle to score and thinking to ourselves are we done rebuilding yet is kinda sad 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinery33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Just curious who those 13 would be? Juolevi Brisebois Dipietro Lind Rathbone Podkolzin Hoglander Woo Madden Tryamkin Rafferty? Fohct Lockwood I got 10 If I had to wager a guess at the others I'd say: Utunen Jasek and one of the other later round picks surprising us at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ur a Towel Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol benning did not win the 2017 draft.. Colorado did... ppg defenseman that can also play defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ppg centers.. the fact that we wasted 2 top 6 picks on atm non impact player and possible will never be impact player.. and we are sitting here watching this team struggle to score and thinking to ourselves are we done rebuilding yet is kinda sad I don't think I've heard one person say Makar > Pettersson in that draft. Pettersson is a potential top 10 player in the league, who's always great defensively as well. Also, how long do you think rebuilds generally last for? Look at how long teams like Toronto, Edmonton, Colorado, Carolina, Arizona, Buffalo, etc. have been rebuilding for. A rebuild is not just done in a few years. You can't expect to take the best player from every draft, it's just not possible. Edit: Each one of the teams I've mentioned has had 1 or multiple top 3 picks as well, which we have not had. Edited December 19, 2019 by Ur a Towel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sedinery33 said: If I had to wager a guess at the others I'd say: Utunen Jasek and one of the other later round picks surprising us at some point Ah yes. Jasek is probably one of them. He seems to have that quiet calm professional approach to things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Just curious who those 13 would be? Juolevi Brisebois Dipietro Lind Rathbone Podkolzin Hoglander Woo Madden Tryamkin Rafferty? Fohct Lockwood I got 10 As mentioned already Jasek. I don't see Gadjovich on your list. Focht is probably there. MacDonagh is putting up a good college season for a 7th round pick. Lockwood is on the bubble. Potential, but need to see more are Utunen, Plasek (who's vying for their world Junior team), Silovs, and Keppen. Not sure if Rafferty fits the bill as he's not a draft pick. But a good undrafted signing. If we are including him, then MacEwen would be there as well. Could also include Kielly, Chatfield and Sautner here although Sautner is probably getting too old for this criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, theo5789 said: As mentioned already Jasek. I don't see Gadjovich on your list. Focht is probably there. MacDonagh is putting up a good college season for a 7th round pick. Lockwood is on the bubble. Potential, but need to see more are Utunen, Plasek (who's vying for their world Junior team), Silovs, and Keppen. Not sure if Rafferty fits the bill as he's not a draft pick. But a good undrafted signing. If we are including him, then MacEwen would be there as well. Could also include Kielly, Chatfield and Sautner here although Sautner is probably getting too old for this criteria. I agree Rafferty was not in the spirit of the question. I didn't include Gadjovich because while he has potential I would say his chances are well below 50, same with Utonen, although I like both. Yeah, MacDonagh is doing great for a 7th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: I agree Rafferty was not in the spirit of the question. I didn't include Gadjovich because while he has potential I would say his chances are well below 50, same with Utonen, although I like both. Yeah, MacDonagh is doing great for a 7th. Curious as to what makes you think Gadjovich's odds are so low. He has improved his skating and is producing better numbers this year. I think Utunen increases his odds if he makes the jump to NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, theo5789 said: Curious as to what makes you think Gadjovich's odds are so low. He has improved his skating and is producing better numbers this year. I think Utunen increases his odds if he makes the jump to NA. I just think it's harder to make it in the type of role he plays. By the sounds of it he is honing his game to be a true power forward. In comparison Lind appears to be pulling away a bit in development speed, not to say that Gadjovich is not making strides. That combined with usual second round success numbers. I'm cheering for him though. What a boost that would be for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: I just think it's harder to make it in the type of role he plays. By the sounds of it he is honing his game to be a true power forward. In comparison Lind appears to be pulling away a bit in development speed, not to say that Gadjovich is not making strides. That combined with usual second round success numbers. I'm cheering for him though. What a boost that would be for us. It's true that power forwards have a tougher path, but they also do take longer to develop sometimes. I personally wouldn't deny him of status of a potential NHL prospect (of course not all make it), certainly not at this stage. So I think he fits right into that group at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: Just curious who those 13 would be? Juolevi Brisebois Dipietro Lind Rathbone Podkolzin Hoglander Woo Madden Tryamkin Rafferty? Fohct Lockwood I got 10 I still counted Gadjovich, Jasek and Lockwood. I just did a rough guess on ones I think still had a shot at the NHL there is still some other guys that are fringe players like Focht or McDonough but I didn’t count them. I also didn’t count Rafferty because he was a free agent signing and not a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol benning did not win the 2017 draft.. Colorado did... ppg defenseman that can also play defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ppg centers.. the fact that we wasted 2 top 6 picks on atm non impact player and possible will never be impact player.. and we are sitting here watching this team struggle to score and thinking to ourselves are we done rebuilding yet is kinda sad Hahaha are you serious? This is why I don’t spend much time on message boards. Okay the avalanche got one good player and maybe Timmons still turns into something and thats it. The Canucks have EP Lind Gadj Dipietro and Rathbone. That could be 5 NHL players which would be an insane draft! Don’t even try to say Colorado did better. Also Vancouver never had a shot at Makar because he was drafted a pick before us. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, High and Inside said: Hahaha are you serious? This is why I don’t spend much time on message boards. Okay the avalanche got one good player and maybe Timmons still turns into something and thats it. The Canucks have EP Lind Gadj Dipietro and Rathbone. That could be 5 NHL players which would be an insane draft! Don’t even try to say Colorado did better. Also Vancouver never had a shot at Makar because he was drafted a pick before us. I think it also should be considered that Makar, who is a phenomenal player, is also playing with 2 of the top 5 forwards in the league (imho). One has to think if we switch hughes with makar that hughes is likely scoring at a similar rate to makar. I know you were talking 2017 draft but I think hughes would be scoring close to what makar is. Hopefully Juolevi gets some games this year and continues to play well. I think he still has the potential to be an important piece to our dcorps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: I think it also should be considered that Makar, who is a phenomenal player, is also playing with 2 of the top 5 forwards in the league (imho). One has to think if we switch hughes with makar that hughes is likely scoring at a similar rate to makar. I know you were talking 2017 draft but I think hughes would be scoring close to what makar is. Hopefully Juolevi gets some games this year and continues to play well. I think he still has the potential to be an important piece to our dcorps I agree with all that. I think the only edge Makar has over Hughes is his ability to score goals. His wrist shot is pretty good and he gets in good position and that might have to do with like you said playing with out of world players like Mackinnon. With how ridiculous the 2017 draft was that should buy some good will from fans for mistakes like OJ . The previous regimes were absolutely awful in comparison. It would nice if Benning was better at trading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 5:37 AM, Junkyard Dog said: It’s almost 2020 now people are over 2016. We just just want Juolevi to pan out. I agree. Comparison to other players at this point is useless. Yes, Juloevi was not the best choice at #5. It should have been choose one of {Tkachuk, McAvoy, Keller, Sergachev}. We just want him to pan out, become an NHLer. My only hope is that he can still pan out to be a top4D that can replace Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, High and Inside said: Hahaha are you serious? This is why I don’t spend much time on message boards. Okay the avalanche got one good player and maybe Timmons still turns into something and thats it. The Canucks have EP Lind Gadj Dipietro and Rathbone. That could be 5 NHL players which would be an insane draft! Don’t even try to say Colorado did better. Also Vancouver never had a shot at Makar because he was drafted a pick before us. Blah blah blah we drafted this we drafted that they can all be nhl player blah blah that's what everyone say about everyone they drafted every year. How many of them actually make the nhl?? We won the draft coz none of those player even made it or played a game in the nhl? Based on current development makar is just as good as pettersson. Funny we rate all our draft pick the next big thing but everyone else's is bust 2 years after draft lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrCanuck94 Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Blah blah blah we drafted this we drafted that they can all be nhl player blah blah that's what everyone say about everyone they drafted every year. How many of them actually make the nhl?? We won the draft coz none of those player even made it or played a game in the nhl? Based on current development makar is just as good as pettersson. Funny we rate all our draft pick the next big thing but everyone else's is bust 2 years after draft lmao Honestly your post doesn't deserve a response but to answer the factless post: 2014: Virtanen, McCann, Demko, Tryamkin and Forsling. 2015: Boeser and Gaudette (with potential of Brisebois and Jasek who are still developing) That's already 7 NHL caliber players from the first two drafts, with the potential for more. Good drafting teams draft at least two NHL caliber players a draft. 2015 on, many of our prospects are still developing. Believe it or not, it takes time. So you're basing a whole draft class based on one player? Even if you think Makar is better, you realize it's talking about the draft as a whole and there are prospect websites that agree that we won that draft because of the rest of the players we drafted. 2 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Makar is a surefire stud, but Franchise top line Center is the most valuable piece you can have on a team. Ep40> Makar. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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