Popular Post J-23 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 This trade will grow on everyone like the Miller trade. 5 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, xereau said: You don't know he is a rental either. I can see him sticking, personally. Why wouldn't he? I dont see a whole lot of cap room for him, what with Lu and Loui taking up 9 million of dead cap and the young guns needing resigning soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The.Burrowers said: I can't stand this argument and have been reading it a lot here. I accept your point that Madden was in a crowded pool of talent, but that doesn't mean we should just give him away for a rental player. We are finally in a position where we have accumulated some depth. We should be putting those assets to work by way of acquiring some more elite talent - not middling rental players. If they get in, the playoff experience they get makes it more than worth it, imo. Additionally, you have no idea if he's a rental or not. JB got a 2nd line rw for Bo, he moved out a player everyone wanted gone and he prevented rival teams from getting a top 6 upgrade.......all for a middle prospect and a second. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, The.Burrowers said: I dont see a whole lot of cap room for him, what with Lu and Loui taking up 9 million of dead cap and the young guns needing resigning soon They'll find a way, they always do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, sonoman said: True, young guy still learning the pro game. I have to keep reminding myself he was a fifth rounder Funny enough people are complaining about losing a third rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The.Burrowers said: I dont see a whole lot of cap room for him, what with Lu and Loui taking up 9 million of dead cap and the young guns needing resigning soon Neither Petey not Hughes have any bargaining leverage. They'll get deals that work for them and the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Glensky Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, Violator said: You could get your docorate on the fauilures of edmonton when it comes to competence and general weakness of the draft structure. Its not creating a loosing culture when your fully prepared to win in the playoffs.instead of cheating and side stepping any resemblance of a well built team. This team needs playoff experience. I’d rather get knocked out first round at this point than get a 6-10th pick. Look how long it took the capitals to win the cup. All those second round exits payed off. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, stawns said: Neither Petey not Hughes have any bargaining leverage. They'll get deals that work for them and the team. Petey has some, Hughes has absolutely none. Neither does Gaudette. Just like Boeser. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, -AJ- said: Honestly a lot to pay, but where was Madden going to play on our team? EP Horvat Gaudette Madden? I think we'd need a Sutter/Beagle type here, not a 150lb skill player. Well just because he’s listed as and plays Center now doesn’t mean he can’t play wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said: I agree completely with this........... why do you think I'm choked about the trade? We should go thru a few rinse and repeat years before making these types of rental additions. When you have two superstars, like Petey and Hughes, you're playing on borrowed time. The clock is already ticking on their window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, J-23 said: This trade will grow on everyone like the Miller trade. For a few months sure, then: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stawns said: If they get in, the playoff experience they get makes it more than worth it, imo. Additionally, you have no idea if he's a rental or not. JB got a 2nd line rw for Bo, he moved out a player everyone wanted gone and he prevented rival teams from getting a top 6 upgrade.......all for a middle prospect and a second. Madden is not a middle prospect....you will see him in Button's top 50 next year I reckon. We may resign him, but I don't think it will be on a bargain deal. Cap space will be precious going forward so any deal we sign with him will eat into our ability to retain other talent. I can't predict what an extension will look like but I'd imagine he will want something comparable to what he has now, if not more. When you factor in the amount of money we already have tied up in our middling forwards (including the Sutters, Beagles, Roussels, Ferlands, Pearsons....) there isn't a whole lot of room for a TT extension without there being some inefficiencies in the lineup. Edit: he is already on Button's top prospects, ranked 40 Edited February 18, 2020 by The.Burrowers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, flickyoursedin said: Well just because he’s listed as and plays Center now doesn’t mean he can’t play wing Pod/Hogs will take up top 6 spots before him and we need real GRIT on the bottom 6. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rychicken Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 Some of you have caused so much head shaking i am counting it as one of my cardio workouts for the week... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, stawns said: When you have two superstars, like Petey and Hughes, you're playing on borrowed time. The clock is already ticking on their window. Yep this is the right move, go hard till those two are burnt out. Pussyfootin time is over. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) I don't particularly like this deal, but it's not that bad. One thing is clear though: management and ownership really want to make the Playoffs this year. I don't mind giving up Madden, but not for a rental. He was a player with value who we could've used as a trade chip to shore up other areas of the team (RD, offload a contract, etc.). In my mind, the more sustainable option outweighs the instant improvement option most of the time, and this is not an exception. The other thing I (potentially) don't like is the timing of this trade. I'm not sure if it made any it made any difference (hence the potentially part), but Toffoli is just coming off of a hat trick and 4 goals in his last two games after scoring 3 goals in his last 15 games. If we traded for him last week instead, does the trade look slightly different? I don't think any of us can definitively say, but it is a stretch. We now don't have a pick in the first two rounds of this draft, which is looking pretty strong. If that doesn't send a clear message through the organization and the fanbase that they want the Playoffs this year, I don't know what does. It's going to suck not having a pick and watching good players get taken in our range, but if it wins us a round it will be good. Benning was deliberate in saying that he didn't want to mess around with the team chemistry at the deadline earlier this year. Toffoli mitigates some of that concern for obvious reasons. He also had the best chance of finding chemistry on the ice out of all the potentially available players, so that's encouraging as well. I haven't been overly impressed with my limited viewings of him on the Kings so far this year, but he was playing for the Kings. Hopefully realizing that he's back in the hunt will jump start him a little bit like it did for Pearson last year. His numbers range from decent to pretty good considering the state of the Kings. I don't think there's any chance we re-sign Toffoli unless we let at least one of Markstrom and/or Tanev walk or we get some crazy break with Eriksson retiring or something. Edited February 18, 2020 by Horvat is a Boss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Must of been their confidence at C already and the fact that Hog/Pod have him beat at wing in the top 6. Also has to pack on weight. He ain't no Petey. Vancouver would be hard for him to crack since he would have to be top 6 or nothing. Need grit in that bottom 6 no more buttery soft guys. Madden needs some time to physically mature. Is he better off doing that in college or the AHL? He’s exactly the body type that stays in school and becomes a UFA so he can both mature to a good weight and then pick the team where he’s going to get the best opportunity. THere was no way he comes out early for us. Where is the opportunity? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) So with the addition of Toffoli, the Canucks have three players on the forward corps with Stanley Cup winning playoff experience. They gave up an inconsistent fourth liner, a talented center (who’s very small) and a draft pick. Works for me. Edited February 18, 2020 by PhillipBlunt 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said: Well just because he’s listed as and plays Center now doesn’t mean he can’t play wing and doesn't mean we couldn't have used him as a trade chip in a more practical deal for the future of this team..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said: Petey has some, Hughes has absolutely none. Neither does Gaudette. Just like Boeser. I don't see JB as the "lock em up for long term at high aav" kind of GM. They'll both get deals structured like BB, just with more $, but not as much as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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