Journalist Gloats Over Jordan Peterson's Troubles

[Master Mind]

27 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

The comments he makes about Marx that I've heard are far from outrageous, and incoherent.  I'm really not sure where this came from.  He actually makes a lot of good points when it comes to Marxism.

I think @aGENT said it best:

 

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He may just be the least understood most misquoted person of the century 

 

[Jester13]

7 hours ago, Red Light Racicot said:

Bill C-16 enshrines the rights of transgender or gender-diverse Canadians by including them under human rights and hate-crime laws, which basically means they just get the same treatment as anyone else. For example you can no longer fire someone for being transgendered which seems reasonable enough if you ask me.

 

Jordan Peterson made it out to be like he was going to go prison for misgendering people, when to this day not a single person has served a day in prison for misgendering anyone.  

 

Here is a quote that essentially sums up how he felt about C-16: "at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century." I'm sorry but this... this is lunacy. The man speaks as if Stalin sent people to the gulags for misgendering people or something.

 

This is hugely misleading and antagonistic. Think about it. if you're a staunch JBP fan is this going to improve your opinion of transgendered people or worsen it? These people already get plenty of flak, just leave them alone please. 

 

He misconstrues philosophers like Derida, Foucault and Marx; he rolls feminism, marxism and some other nonsense into what he calls cultural marxism, or Post-modern neo-marxism, or whatever, a phrase that doesn't even make sense since Marxism is incompatible with postmodern views, as Marxism itself is a narrative that sees the world structured in a certain way.

 

More disturbingly, cultural marxism is a direct descendant of what the Nazis called cultural bolshevism.

 

He has done a butt load of damage to the way people think about Marx based on his outrageous, often incoherent and fallaciously contrived statements and attacks. There is nothing good to say about this kind of behavior.

 

If listening to the advice he has is a positive then that's great. I'm not going to hold it against anyone in particular and at the very least I hope very much that the man doesn't inspire anyone to hold and then follow through on such extremist rhetoric, the details and context of which JBP fans may not have even been aware of. Its actually been a couple years since I've kept track of the guy so I suppose its possible that he has amended some of these views which would be fantastic.

 

 

Edit: Sorry I dont actually like the guy I missed that part 

 

 

From what I've heard from JP, he compares Marxist ideology to the far left of today more so from the stance of adopting the victimized/oppressive narrative, in that anyone who is financially stable, successful, or the like, is the oppressor and everyone else is a victim. This mentality arguable adds to the tribal identity politics we're seeing more and more of every year. Adding to that, it's the idea that in society there should be an equality of outcome vs. equality of opportunity. 

 

Before deciding on whether or not any of that is a correct viewpoint, it's clear that it's a set of interesting ideas to think more about. In Western society, is there really as much oppression going on as the left wants to believe, or is it their own perspective that's oppressing them?

 

Also, you can't use the term "butt load", as it's offensive language and discriminatory.

[Timbermen]

8 hours ago, Red Light Racicot said:

Bill C-16 enshrines the rights of transgender or gender-diverse Canadians by including them under human rights and hate-crime laws, which basically means they just get the same treatment as anyone else. For example you can no longer fire someone for being transgendered which seems reasonable enough if you ask me.

 

Jordan Peterson made it out to be like he was going to go prison for misgendering people, when to this day not a single person has served a day in prison for misgendering anyone.  

 

Here is a quote that essentially sums up how he felt about C-16: "at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century." I'm sorry but this... this is lunacy. The man speaks as if Stalin sent people to the gulags for misgendering people or something.

 

This is hugely misleading and antagonistic. Think about it. if you're a staunch JBP fan is this going to improve your opinion of transgendered people or worsen it? These people already get plenty of flak, just leave them alone please. 

 

He misconstrues philosophers like Derida, Foucault and Marx; he rolls feminism, marxism and some other nonsense into what he calls cultural marxism, or Post-modern neo-marxism, or whatever, a phrase that doesn't even make sense since Marxism is incompatible with postmodern views, as Marxism itself is a narrative that sees the world structured in a certain way.

 

More disturbingly, cultural marxism is a direct descendant of what the Nazis called cultural bolshevism.

 

He has done a butt load of damage to the way people think about Marx based on his outrageous, often incoherent and fallaciously contrived statements and attacks. There is nothing good to say about this kind of behavior.

 

If listening to the advice he has is a positive then that's great. I'm not going to hold it against anyone in particular and at the very least I hope very much that the man doesn't inspire anyone to hold and then follow through on such extremist rhetoric, the details and context of which JBP fans may not have even been aware of. Its actually been a couple years since I've kept track of the guy so I suppose its possible that he has amended some of these views which would be fantastic.

 

 

Edit: Sorry I dont actually like the guy I missed that part 

 

 

Thanks for the input, comrad.

[Timbermen]

2 hours ago, You Mad Bro? said:

The left has become a cancerous insane asylum. Jordan Peterson, like Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk and others are a refreshing light in a world turning dark. People need to have thicker skin and a stronger spine rather than trying to make the entire world around them a safe space. News flash, your feelings aren’t that important. 

Exactly. Unlike the other post when Fidel try to call Peterson the irrational one. OK 

[BoKnows]

12 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

Thanks for the input, comrad.

Should we remind them how the USSR is coming along 

[aGENT]

8 hours ago, Red Light Racicot said:

He has done a butt load of damage to the way people think about Marx 

I think the hundreds of millions of dead bodies piled up did that all on their own, with no help from, or needed by, Peterson.

[Timbermen]

6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I think the hundreds of millions of dead bodies piled up did that all on their own, with no help from, or needed by, Peterson.

Marxist professors don't teach them any of that, what coincidence. Also he says Marxism and post modernism don't go together, well that grass eating cow in the Q&A Australia claims to be Marxism and Christian. That's what we're dealing with here, but go on about how non-sensical Peterson is.

[butters]

7 hours ago, Zfetch said:

Its very strange that you say that don't look much at the guy yet the word reprehensible is your dictionary 

I know you are trying to make some sort of ironic point, its just not clear what it is. Always best to just say what you mean.

[Smashian Kassian]

1 hour ago, Timbermen said:

Thanks for the input, comrad.

 

52 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

Should we remind them how the USSR is coming along 

 

 

[Timbermen]

22 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

 

This is about a year before that. Watch to the end and you'll hear Cherry was the only one defending our players. Brian Murray turned on them and was lambasted by the public and later retracted his stance. Where were all these Marxists then? The Soviets even threatened to nuke us. s this Anifa on skates?

 

 

[bishopshodan]

I find JP fans to be very sensitive. I wasn't expecting that. 

More I read the more I see that he has people talking, people that have very different opinions on his views. That is a good thing. 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

16 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I find JP fans to be very sensitive. I wasn't expecting that. 

Ironic isn't it? 

[You Mad Bro?]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I think the hundreds of millions of dead bodies piled up did that all on their own, with no help from, or needed by, Peterson.

This. It’s baffling how young people today want to adopt socialism. Pick up a history book. All it teaches up is that it has failed every time and left a hundred million corpses in the twentieth century. 

[BoKnows]

3 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said:

This. It’s baffling how young people today want to adopt socialism. Pick up a history book. All it teaches up is that it has failed every time and left a hundred million corpses in the twentieth century. 

It's not the way they would do it though!

[BoKnows]

33 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I find JP fans to be very sensitive. I wasn't expecting that. 

More I read the more I see that he has people talking, people that have very different opinions on his views. That is a good thing. 

I think some people are not happy that someone was celebrating his struggles with addiction during a tough part of his life.  Many may be quick to defend him because his actual lectures from UofT helped them battle through their demons.  

[Wilbur]

4 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said:

This. It’s baffling how young people today want to adopt socialism. Pick up a history book. All it teaches up is that it has failed every time and left a hundred million corpses in the twentieth century. 

I don't think it's pushing for socialism, but rather pushing for more socialist programs (although I can't speak for everybody).  Elements of capitalism are great, some not so much.  You can say the same about socialism.  It's a matter of finding that balance between the two to make this country/world a better place for everyone.

[Master Mind]

44 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Ironic isn't it? 

Care to address the main point of the thread yet? I asked you this earlier only to be ignored.

 

Or do you only chime in when you have something negative to say about JP and/or his followers?

 

Then you call @Zfetch a child for calling you out?

 

It's incredibly easy to see through your intentions.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Master Mind

[Timbermen]

4 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said:

This. It’s baffling how young people today want to adopt socialism. Pick up a history book. All it teaches up is that it has failed every time and left a hundred million corpses in the twentieth century. 

Exactly, even in that hockey video, both Shanahan and Cherry said the Soviet coach wasn't feeding players after losses as a form of punishment. That is an example of the totalitarian system and  proves my point. This is '87, a couple years before the fall of the Soviet Union and an example of a totalitarian system that is Marxism.

 

[BoKnows]

10 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

I don't think it's pushing for socialism, but rather pushing for more socialist programs (although I can't speak for everybody).  Elements of capitalism are great, some not so much.  You can say the same about socialism.  It's a matter of finding that balance between the two to make this country/world a better place for everyone.

I think kids my age (20) hear medicare for all, and think that's socialism.  Supporting a social system is not even close to actual socialism.

[aGENT]

18 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

I don't think it's pushing for socialism, but rather pushing for more socialist programs (although I can't speak for everybody).  Elements of capitalism are great, some not so much.  You can say the same about socialism.  It's a matter of finding that balance between the two to make this country/world a better place for everyone.

This. But social programs aren't socialism and some people actually do subscribe to and are actively fighting for, dangerous, Marxist ideology.