canuckistani Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: One thing that's got me wondering: Twice now, Euron has caught our heroes with their pants down. How does he know when and where Danys ships are going to be? Seems like there's a spy in her midst. Because the writers suck, thats why (not GRRM, but the show writers). They change characters to appeal to masses and take away from the context of the story. Like Melissandre, Euron has special abilities. He is a green-seer in the books ( what Jojen was in the show). He also learnt magic in Asshai ( which is the city of magic in the GRRM universe) and has cast special spells on his ship that allows him to sail the smoking sea ( Jorah moront, when he captured Tyrion in the books, didn't sail into the heart of the smoking sea, where Valyria is, but skirted its northern edge). This is *huge* in the books for his dominating presence amongst the Iron islanders the moment he shows up and kills Balon - he is the only man known since doom of Valyria to sail into Valyria and not die ( the books mention that some Targaryen king tried hundred or so years ago, with a massive flotilla and nobody heard from a single man on those ships ever again). And Euron has a presence to match his special skills - he is a man of VERY few words, but commanding, sinister presence that scares grown pirates into unease. Think of Jaffar from Aladin + magic abilities. Thats Euron. Book Euron could concievably pull this off. Show Euron is basically a cross between Stiffler, pirate and a crackhead. So it doesn't make sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 5 hours ago, canuckistani said: Because the writers suck, thats why (not GRRM, but the show writers). They change characters to appeal to masses and take away from the context of the story. Like Melissandre, Euron has special abilities. He is a green-seer in the books ( what Jojen was in the show). He also learnt magic in Asshai ( which is the city of magic in the GRRM universe) and has cast special spells on his ship that allows him to sail the smoking sea ( Jorah moront, when he captured Tyrion in the books, didn't sail into the heart of the smoking sea, where Valyria is, but skirted its northern edge). This is *huge* in the books for his dominating presence amongst the Iron islanders the moment he shows up and kills Balon - he is the only man known since doom of Valyria to sail into Valyria and not die ( the books mention that some Targaryen king tried hundred or so years ago, with a massive flotilla and nobody heard from a single man on those ships ever again). And Euron has a presence to match his special skills - he is a man of VERY few words, but commanding, sinister presence that scares grown pirates into unease. Think of Jaffar from Aladin + magic abilities. Thats Euron. Book Euron could concievably pull this off. Show Euron is basically a cross between Stiffler, pirate and a crackhead. So it doesn't make sense. I would be ok if GRRM did a complete 180 from the show and had a completely different ending. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 hours ago, canuckistani said: Because the writers suck, thats why (not GRRM, but the show writers). They change characters to appeal to masses and take away from the context of the story. Like Melissandre, Euron has special abilities. He is a green-seer in the books ( what Jojen was in the show). He also learnt magic in Asshai ( which is the city of magic in the GRRM universe) and has cast special spells on his ship that allows him to sail the smoking sea ( Jorah moront, when he captured Tyrion in the books, didn't sail into the heart of the smoking sea, where Valyria is, but skirted its northern edge). This is *huge* in the books for his dominating presence amongst the Iron islanders the moment he shows up and kills Balon - he is the only man known since doom of Valyria to sail into Valyria and not die ( the books mention that some Targaryen king tried hundred or so years ago, with a massive flotilla and nobody heard from a single man on those ships ever again). And Euron has a presence to match his special skills - he is a man of VERY few words, but commanding, sinister presence that scares grown pirates into unease. Think of Jaffar from Aladin + magic abilities. Thats Euron. Book Euron could concievably pull this off. Show Euron is basically a cross between Stiffler, pirate and a crackhead. So it doesn't make sense. Actually, I remember all that from the books. I also remember Euron bringing a Dragon Horn (that he claimed he found in the ruins of Valyria) to the Kings Moot. That being said, I don't recall any mention of Euron's "abilities" being made in the TV series. It seemed to me that D & D have skipped that plotline entirely. Same with bringing down the Wall. It's entirely possible that Uncle George will use a Zombie Dragon as well, but I'm kind of hoping that the Horn of Joramun makes an appearance... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 GRMM's most genius decision ever might be in allowing the showrunners to overtake the books. The subpar quality (not saying bad, just bad in relation to GRMM) will now make any additional books that come even more greatly appreciated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, Down by the River said: GRMM's most genius decision ever might be in allowing the showrunners to overtake the books. The subpar quality (not saying bad, just bad in relation to GRMM) will now make any additional books that come even more greatly appreciated. Been trying to get this point across to my friends that are upset about the delay of the books. Easier to top the competition after seeing their results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 still gutted that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Speaking of Greensight..... Maybe Bran could've mentioned to Tyrion, "Oh by the way, Euron is sailing to Dragonstone with a bunch of Dragon Harpoons on his ships, best be careful..." Instead, he's all "Did you know this is the same wheelchair used by a Targ 200 years ago? I'm thinking of getting some personalized plates for it. What do you think of 3IDRVN?"... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Speaking of Greensight..... Maybe Bran could've mentioned to Tyrion, "Oh by the way, Euron is sailing to Dragonstone with a bunch of Dragon Harpoons on his ships, best be careful..." Instead, he's all "Did you know this is the same wheelchair used by a Targ 200 years ago? I'm thinking of getting some personalized plates for it. What do you think of 3IDRVN?"... Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the 3 eyed raven does not meddle in human-human conflict Edited May 8, 2019 by I.Am.Ironman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 hot take: Cersei deserves a Ramsay Bolton-like death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 1:08 PM, RUPERTKBD said: One thing that's got me wondering: Twice now, Euron has caught our heroes with their pants down. How does he know when and where Danys ships are going to be? Seems like there's a spy in her midst. Other problem is how the hell do you fly a dragon in the air and not be able to see boats in the distance and they pop out from around some rocks randomly after they have shot arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I would have preferred HBO make a few more episodes for the last season. The last episode seemed extremely rushed just to get to King's Landing. Less character development. Bronn seems to be gone so that's a waste of a good character. With more episode they could have better story telling. And please get some war strategy help. Cuz last fight was strategically bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 All these Sansa can't keep a secret memes... Did Tyrion not say he found out Jon wasn't a Stark from Bran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: All these Sansa can't keep a secret memes... Did Tyrion not say he found out Jon wasn't a Stark from Bran? No. He said Jon wasn't a Stack because he's a bastard son. That's why his last name is Snow. Then Sansa told him the secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, BPA said: No. He said Jon wasn't a Stack because he's a bastard son. That's why his last name is Snow. Then Sansa told him the secret. He knew he was a bastard all the way back to season 1 - 'All dwarves are bastards in their father's eyes " or something like that, plus he'd still be a Stark per se as Ned's kid. So I took it as "Your brother(Bran) once told me Jon wasn't a stark.' I think Sansa just told him that he doesn't want to be king. I think Bran wants it to be known (and if the leaked spoilers are any indication I see why) so I can see why he tell Tyrion. Meh, either way this last season is a gong show with so many plot holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BPA said: I would have preferred HBO make a few more episodes for the last season. The last episode seemed extremely rushed just to get to King's Landing. Less character development. Bronn seems to be gone so that's a waste of a good character. With more episode they could have better story telling. And please get some war strategy help. Cuz last fight was strategically bad. They do this every time it seems. I'm going to expect it from here on out with any HBO show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 "On the scale of Sansa to Ned Stark, how good are you at keeping a secret?" lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said: "On the scale of Sansa to Ned Stark, how good are you at keeping a secret?" lol.. Lol, another person good at keeping secrets was that executioner from season one with no tongue. But seriously I always thought why Ned didn't tell Cat about Jon but now we know why, Westoros bitches are quick to become snitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) When Tyrion says the secret to Varys and Varys asks 'how many knows this?', Tyrion answers 'eight, including us'. This is actually incorrect. There are nine who know the secret. The 9th person who knows, is Howland Reed, Jojen and Mira's father. He is the only survivor apart from Ned Stark from the duel of Tower of Joy and he definitely would've known that Jon is Lyanna's son. In the show, he is the wounded guy who stabs the super-crazy knight with 2 swords ( i forget his name right now) in the back. Edited May 8, 2019 by canuckistani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, canuckistani said: When Tyrion says the secret to Varys and Varys asks 'how many knows this?', Tyrion answers 'eight, including us'. This is actually incorrect. There are nine who know the secret. The 9th person who knows, is Howland Reed, Jojen and Mira's father. He is the only survivor apart from Ned Stark from the duel of Tower of Joy and he definitely would've known that Jon is Lyanna's son. In the show, he is the wounded guy who stabs the super-crazy knight with 2 swords ( i forget his name right now) in the back. Ser Arthur Dayne, and that's a good point. That Tower of Joy scene is still my favorite non battle/sex scene from the whole show, with Ser Pounce a close second. I guess they're just going to forget about the Reed's at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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