BuretoMogilny Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 It's not the fans and media that are "running him out of town". Schneider has overtaken him and Luongo nor the organization want him to be a backup for any great length of time. It doesn't make sense for either party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Hey guys if we were to compliance buy out luongo What would we have to pay him? Half or 2/3rds and there would be no cap hit correct? Edit :nvm I wanted to suggest we buy out and re sign him .. but apparently its not allowed. So lets swap him wwith bryz and Philly buys out luongo and we buy out bryz. And then we sign luongo . Trade Cory for duchene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Hey guys if we were to compliance buy out luongo What would we have to pay him? Half or 2/3rds and there would be no cap hit correct? Edit :nvm I wanted to suggest we buy out and re sign him .. but apparently its not allowed. So lets swap him wwith bryz and Philly buys out luongo and we buy out bryz. And then we sign luongo . Trade Cory for duchene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Oh Apollo, hopefully you pop in for a visit once Luo is traded and you have to cheer for a new team. Ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 A goalie like Luongo is not a buyout candidate. Buyout candidates are players who are borderline serviceable NHL players - Luongo is a franchise goaltender. Dipietro hasn't even been bought out Players like Richards have been dealt with very similar contracts, for sizeable deals - there is nothing to suggest that Richards will be able to produce at a 5.8 million value untill he's 36, and his contract doesn't quite backdive as steep as Luongo's does. He's a skater. His contract "sucks". A Stanley Cup GM said meh, and took it on anyway, and paid a great deal for him. By the way - Richards dropped off to a mid 40 point player and is on that pace again this year, and a -6 and his underlying numbers aren't good either, -4.7 relative corsi, 55.9% offensive zone starts, not the strongest quality of competition - has a solid shutdown center beneath him to handle quality opponents - but a solid veteran nevertheless, and guys like him and Luongo have value. Goaltending moves are far more complicated. I could see Holmgren looking at the benefit/risk aspect of Luongo and going for it, or Snow, or even Tallon if he had the go-ahead from ownership. The return won't be as it was for Richards preCBA cap drop, but Luongo is not a buyout, not even close. The Canucks would simply keep Luongo before buying him out. That talk is really just dramatic thoughtlessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 ^^ That's what I've been saying for the last little while, Luongo's contract isn't that bad when you consider all the players out there with similar deals that a number of teams would still be willing to trade for. Hossa and Zetterburg were the main contracts that started it all (along with Franzen) and I don't think people would be that worried about trading for them even if it meant losing some reasonably good assets. Weber's the latest example of a massive back diving contract and people keep talking about how Nashville might have to trade him if they can't afford him, and you can bet there'd be takers for him at a significant price if he was offered this summer. Not all those players are equal, but all bring very good play to their teams and could be the difference in turning a non-playoff team into one that makes it. Teams like Florida, Tampa, Washington, Philly, etc all found out this year what a solid goalie could have done for them even when their team was struggling, and they're out of the playoff picture as a result (or barely making it in the case of Washington, only by virtue of the Southeast being so bad and them having the division lead currently). If even one of the 3 Southeast teams had seen the virtue in acquiring Luongo earlier in the season (or even at the deadline) it could have been enough to guarantee them the division lead and a playoff spot. And people call Gillis a bad GM when George McPhee has stood pat with his two young goalies and underperforming superstars yet dealt a top prospect in Forsberg at the deadline to get an ok top 6 guy in Erat and an AHL'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smashian Kassian Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 He's still here. Eat it. You've been saying he'll be gone for ages now and he's still here. Buy him out. Philly signs him Philly buys out bryz . We sign him (or briere) Trade bryz for luongo Trade cory for duchene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 We are not buying in him out. Those idiots who are suggesting that option happens to be gms that have been fired, and never hired again. There is a reason why those idiot gm's were fired in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I don't think things will work out like that. Philly would rather just keep Luongo if both had better contracts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Oh please-64 mill? It's perform or face the heat, baby! All this mock-sympathy for Luongo is getting tiresome. The fans are "on him"? Any of you people EVER have a nasty boss in a dead-end job(one time or another)? To hear him go on about his "lousy deal, that sucks", in such economic times? Sorry, I suggest he reads a few serious news articles about this real world turnin'. Suggested it in PROPOSALS(others have too); just trade the bloke for a LOUSY contract(eg:Bryz, Dipietro) that we have to amnesty, PLUS a grab-bag of goodies, youth, picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Good point... I was just dreaming. Its hard for me to let go of luongo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Oh please-64 mill? It's perform or face the heat, baby! All this mock-sympathy for Luongo is getting tiresome. The fans are "on him"? Any of you people EVER have a nasty boss in a dead-end job(one time or another)? To hear him go on about his "lousy deal, that sucks", in such economic times? Sorry, I suggest he reads a few serious news articles about this real world turnin'. Suggested it in PROPOSALS(others have too); just trade the bloke for a LOUSY contract(eg:Bryz, Dipietro) that we have to amnesty, PLUS a grab-bag of goodies, youth, picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Didn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Lou would be infinitely more tradeable now had he been play off MVP as opposed to being badly out played by Tim Thomas. All this while he was, at $10 mill for that year, the highest paid hockey player in the world. Do you feel we have been returned good value for the contract we offered him? It's nice to pay a guy for past service and all. The bottom line is Lou needs to out play Schneider and win his job back. If he does not, we may never get value from any deal. Why do u care what he makes?? Does that take away all he did for this franchise??? You know how mmuch money he's made for aquilini??? He's respected because of all his accolades... all his canucks records and hands down being the greatest canucks goalie of all time. When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Why do u care what he makes?? Does that take away all he did for this franchise??? You know how mmuch money he's made for aquilini??? He's respected because of all his accolades... all his canucks records and hands down being the greatest canucks goalie of all time. When all's said and done he will go down as top 10 to ever play the game... some can argue top 15 but we'll c how his career plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Lou would be infinitely more tradeable now had he been play off MVP as opposed to being out played by Thomas. While he was, at $10 mill, the highest paid hockey player in the world. Do you feel we have been returned good value for the contract we offered him? It's nice to pay a guy for past service and all, but the bottom line is Lou needs to out play Schneider and win his job back or we may never get value from that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think you've missed it. If Lou did not get outplayed by Thomas, never mind Schneider, he might be worth his contract. Then we would not be in this position? Weber did not sign a big deal and lose his job to an up and coming player. Never mind that was his salary and not his cap hit, but with Weber now making $14M a year would that stop you from trading a couple of high picks and a similar but lesser roster player to acquire him? Would Philly turn down trading two 2nds and Luke Schenn to Nashville just because of Weber's contract and that they already have a number of NHL quality defenceman if he could help them win more games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Look at it differently > an argument I posed for SK; Forbes has the St Louis Blues net value as $125 odd million. Now owners (not GM's) sign players with a view to their potential to generate a profit for their invesment. If your an investor; do you buy Weber or the St Louis Blues respectively at $110 and $125 million? In reality, Nashville probably will regret that decision as well. Do you offer Lou his $64 million again? Its $64 million, not $5.3 which is how everybody jutifies a bad investment. Think about it like its your money... And then look at it in the current context. Do you give him $40.2 mill the next 6 years? I believe its possible for teams that are young and have much of their future already set up; and Lou wins you 7 to 10 play off series the next 4 years? This when you might currently track to win 2 or 3? And sell out a rink thats not selling... It does leave a market, yes Florida, NYI, perhaps Washington? Long shot Edmonton... Whi Never mind that was his salary and not his cap hit, but with Weber now making $14M a year would that stop you from trading a couple of high picks and a similar but lesser roster player to acquire him? Would Philly turn down trading two 2nds and Luke Schenn to Nashville just because of Weber's contract and that they already have a number of NHL quality defenceman if he could help them win more games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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