Boudrias Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 As things start to fall apart; its when teams need a guy like their goalie to play lights out & reignite some confidence and fight. It did not have to be the goalie, a superstar prob would have needed to surface. Kesler and Manny were hurt, Hank was taking D zone draws against Lucic/Krecji. Not his normal O'zone realm of comfort. Considering our scrambled roles, the Sedin's played hard, but were much less likely to accomplish what they normally do. Between game 3,4,6 & 7 we needed Lou to steal us a game. Was being a superstar when it mattered too much to expect? Any one of those 4 games... If Lou had played hard, and held it together, I still would not be critiquing him even had we lost. The team did sort of fall apart around him. But he was distracted by not having his tires pumped. And he got lit up. He did not even offer the team the confidence to find another level of fight. I don't blame Lou for us losing that series. But he does not deserve his contract either. He was being paid like Crosby, or Forsberg and the other true superstars of the league. And that is why the contract is such an anchor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 If you think the canucks can get gardiner and 5th overall pick for luongo on a reasonable contract your wrong. Schneider cant even get that. I could see kesler maybe. Maybe!i can see schneider getting a 5 to 10 overall pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I know you'd love to blame Luongo. Glad you see it was the whole team's fault though. As I said numerous times, at least the Canucks lost to the eventual Cup winners three years in a row. Reminds me of the Oilers losing to the Islanders numerous times before they won the Cup numerous times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I wish he was here to explain why he wasn't wrong about that one. I have never seen someone be so wrong so often, and still stick around to defend himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Is hard for me to feel sorry for Lu. He has been greedy since before enterring the NHL and not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times has had trouble coming to terms on a deal. First time he had not even played 1 game and could not get a deal done with the Islanders Second deal in Florida was difficult but they finally made a deal Thirdly he refused to sign in Florida and was traded to Van Lastly he set a self imposed deadline of sept 13 or he was going to play out the contract and that is the contract he is now under. Seen Mike Keenan say that Lu was always 1 contract ahead of himself and wanted to be paid about what he "could do". Personally cant wait until he and his ego and greed are waived bye bye, or traded for basically nothing, Bet that will bring him back to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Is hard for me to feel sorry for Lu. He has been greedy since before enterring the NHL and not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times has had trouble coming to terms on a deal. First time he had not even played 1 game and could not get a deal done with the Islanders Second deal in Florida was difficult but they finally made a deal Thirdly he refused to sign in Florida and was traded to Van Lastly he set a self imposed deadline of sept 13 or he was going to play out the contract and that is the contract he is now under. Seen Mike Keenan say that Lu was always 1 contract ahead of himself and wanted to be paid about what he "could do". Personally cant wait until he and his ego and greed are waived bye bye, or traded for basically nothing, Bet that will bring him back to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Wouldn't bringing him back to reality mean elite goaltending poised for a Cup? In a way, it's like taking a year off for Luongo which might increase his longevity in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I dont understand why he's not around anymore. He made some good arguments from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 We ll end up trading with Florida.. Lu and Raymond for Versteeg + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagin Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 A bad coaching decision? R u serious? We lost two in a row and luongo was playing bad, we put in the better goalie and he played great! Granted we lost but schneider still played way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I agree, but it wasn't those posts that got him banned. He had just as many moments of complete trolling as he did good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Going backwards to forwards; i'll try and respond then draw a conclusion alrady reflected in other posts (which were not direct responses to you Elvis). 3) Luongo's contract is onerous because he is being paid to be a superstar. He has been a very good goaie, but been outplayed by opposing goalies over the past 4 year playoff losses, and Schneider now. He has not lived up to a $64 mill deal, simple. 2) I believe MG foresaw a cup window. Lou was a Vezina finalist in 2007, all star calaibre in 09, Schneids was unproven. So he played his big card signing Lou. I'm quite sure MG, and ownership, did the deal believing it would get a cup, maybe 2? You might think it was a signal or a message to UFA's, that's an opinion. Fans get caught up in that, but I disagree. He was signed to outplay the Tim Thomas's of the world, not recruit guys like Malhotra to sign UFA deals. It may help, but only until you get outplayed by Tim Thomas. Signing deals to send a message? To me thats like being a big shot at the casino (see Bruce McNall) to prove you legit. Signings should be done as the right investment in the right piece of your puzzle. When you get it right it sends a message, but thats secondary. And when your wrong; you have to cut your losses, that's Lou. The Predator's? I'll grant Nashville prob wanted to send their fans a message they were not packing up. But I also debate they could leveraged the $20 mill plus they paid (and first round picks received as compensation) in the last 10 months into a better team. That would have been a better message. Just my view. 1) If Nashville's hand is forced due to money, odd's are they have already blown it. Yup, they will still get a good haul for Weber. But they will never get back the signing bonuses and salary they have paid him. How much of this year $13 mill bonus did they have to pay (honest question)? Lets see how long it will take to parlay him back in to a top team? Which brings us back to Lou, our issue. Weber is a bad comparison, at least he is still playing like a Norris candidate. Lou looked at the start of the year like he would outplay Schneider, and all he faced. If we get back to that, the trade will come around. I was hoping he would get the start in Calgary? If he does not, our investment will continue to slide... Ah, but the reasons they might have to be moved are extraneous to the discussion. Nashville's hand might be forced just as much as ours, just due to money versus a cheaper, younger replacement. It's about them both being high value, back diving contracts, and if one (particularly the one costing considerably more right now) can still get a good if not pretty good/great return while the other isn't worth more than a couple of picks then it's a sign that it's not the contract that's truly the issue. My original point opened up a little different avenue of discussion than I intended, but that's definitely an added wrinkle to my point that I agree with. The Canucks signing Luongo as they did was a bit of a signal, to Luongo and prospective UFAs, just as much as Nashville matching was a signal to their fans and team they were serious about building a winner. Vancouver's seeing the results of it now - partly because of the bad timing with the new CBA and the cap crunch - but with any of the other back diving contract it has the same possibility. It brings me back to my original point: why is Luongo's contract perceived as being so onerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 He's right about this. Although he is wrong about the rest. Luongo goes, Schneider stays. The Bridge has been walked across and burned 101, there is no way of crossing the river and going back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 If Lu had outplayed Schneider this year... Problem is really that after his groin injury, he was never really the same player. Give me the Luongo during his Panther days, and early here (before groin injury) over Schneider, no problem. Would NEVER have melted down in any playoff series, PERIOD. And over Tim Thomas - he could basically out-play anybody. He was one of the best in the world - probably THE best when on his game (haven't heard that for a while have we ) Anyways, "that" Luongo deserved the contract he got, and would have no problem living up to it. Post-injury: He is an above average goaltender, who when hot can steal some games. But nothing like the player he was. Sorry. But that is the absolute truth, and THE CAUSE of this whole mess. Period. Finito. Ad Infinitum... btw: you would think his stats would have a bearing on any trade - why would AV leave him in for all 8 goals the last time he got blown out? Odd, wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Burrows 14 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 A Loss is a Loss ! Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Imagine we have an excellent playoff(open to your interpretation-finals/winning/whatever). Then try something like this... To Philly:Lu, Ballard, Booth, Sauve..(about 13.5 mill in Cap) Van: Bryz(we buy out), Schenn(tough RH D-man), Couturier, or 2014 1st rounder.(end up with about 5 mill in cap-64.3 mill becomes very doable) I leave the last 2 pieces as either/or, good young player, or a 1st...Mainly interested if anyone agrees in the wisdom of accepting a MAJOR buyout, considering Booth/Ballard could also be amnesty-candidates, I see this as fair/possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 We ll end up trading with Florida.. Lu and Raymond for Versteeg + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Going backwards to forwards; i'll try and respond then draw a conclusion alrady reflected in other posts (which were not direct responses to you Elvis). 3) Luongo's contract is onerous because he is being paid to be a superstar. He has been a very good goaie, but been outplayed by opposing goalies over the past 4 year playoff losses, and Schneider now. He has not lived up to a $64 mill deal, simple. 2) I believe MG foresaw a cup window. Lou was a Vezina finalist in 2007, all star calaibre in 09, Schneids was unproven. So he played his big card signing Lou. I'm quite sure MG, and ownership, did the deal believing it would get a cup, maybe 2? You might think it was a signal or a message to UFA's, that's an opinion. Fans get caught up in that, but I disagree. He was signed to outplay the Tim Thomas's of the world, not recruit guys like Malhotra to sign UFA deals. It may help, but only until you get outplayed by Tim Thomas. Signing deals to send a message? To me thats like being a big shot at the casino (see Bruce McNall) to prove you legit. Signings should be done as the right investment in the right piece of your puzzle. When you get it right it sends a message, but thats secondary. And when your wrong; you have to cut your losses, that's Lou. The Predator's? I'll grant Nashville prob wanted to send their fans a message they were not packing up. But I also debate they could leveraged the $20 mill plus they paid (and first round picks received as compensation) in the last 10 months into a better team. That would have been a better message. Just my view. 1) If Nashville's hand is forced due to money, odd's are they have already blown it. Yup, they will still get a good haul for Weber. But they will never get back the signing bonuses and salary they have paid him. How much of this year $13 mill bonus did they have to pay (honest question)? Lets see how long it will take to parlay him back in to a top team? Which brings us back to Lou, our issue. Weber is a bad comparison, at least he is still playing like a Norris candidate. Lou looked at the start of the year like he would outplay Schneider, and all he faced. If we get back to that, the trade will come around. I was hoping he would get the start in Calgary? If he does not, our investment will continue to slide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanNuck Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Luongo's poor play has, save for certain instances like against Detroit, been overblown. Take last playoffs for instance, in Game 1, he was actually quite solid, but so was Jonathan Quick. He was the Nucks' best player on the ice. He faltered in Game 2, at which point they went with Schneider and never looked back. Schneider played well, about as well as Lou played in Game 1 - either way, it wasn't going to make any difference, the way the rest of the team was playing. Gillis, however, he was the one who really blew it for Luongo when he did little to support him after his failures and effectively allowed the fans to crucify him. It's no wonder why he's falling apart, his mental strength and determination is gone now, and thus so is his game. That's why I said Gillis was the one who must go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Im surprised at how much activity there is in this thread honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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