oldnews Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 BREAKING NEWS- AV REHIRED... Gillis apologizes for the inconvenience. yes. I knew it. It's Iginla to Boston all over again. except this time it's MG trolling the Province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Hmm, really wonder who the new coach would be. Wouldn't mind Dave Tippett though, considering the post by the Vancouver Sun DAVE TIPPETT: Still employed by the Phoenix Coyotes, many feel he will be on the job market soon. Known for his stifling defensive systems, the 51-year-old Tippett was once a power-play guru with the Los Angeles Kings. The style he coached in Dallas and Phoenix may have been more out of necessity than choice. (Then again, Mike Modano might debate that.) Tippett spent three years in the NHL as an assistant and has been a head coach for the last 10. All 13 of his seasons have been in the Western Conference so he certainly wouldn't need any kind of tutorial on what's needed to win in the West He knows how to win in the West, and has both coached defensive and offensive systems. Someone like him with the roster here could be a match made in heaven, since he'd know how to use and organize the available guys to play an offensive style or play defensively as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I think both should have been canned. MG failed to give the coach players to work with post cup run, and AV just flat out failed the past two playoffs. I think that the only reason MG didn't get fired from his GM position is that at the end of the year presser he said that he is moving the team into a new direction to compete in today's NHL. Had he not said that, I'm sure he would have got fired. The only reason Gillis was not fired is the Aquilinis do not want to admit they made a mistake in hiring Gillis. So they are giving him a 2nd chance. If there are no results in a few year, Gillis would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Gillis has one year left to right the ship otherwise he'll resign before he's fired. Type of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm pretty sure 5 consecutive 1st line caliber seasons trump an off year and a shortened season. Yeah he's had some past success playing with Vanek . However during the last two seasons his production has dropped way off, he was on pace for about 14 goals this year. We've seen flashes of his skill here but not on a consistent basis. A 1C should have the ability to carry a line, we all saw his ability to do that in the SJ series when he was matched up against the other team's bottom pairing and produced next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Awesome. Now we can have... - Ballard playing every night (with confidence) instead of being in the press box half the season - Goalies who don't have their heads messed up because they do not know what their coach is thinking. - Prospects put in a position to develop in the big club - Offense who can score more than 1 goal per game (only accounting for Boston series) in the playoffs for 3 years straight. - When we run into penalty trouble in a series, the coach will actually make adjustments, and work with the players to make a better result. - Ebbett off our team -- replaced with an actual NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Key word is was. The last 3 years have also been the best roster that the team has ever assembled. So if you wanna give credit to the coach or the players, it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is, both failed to produce results. And the coach is the easiest thing to change at this point. Absolute nonsense. This team was weakened almost from the day the Finals ended. Gradually Gillis chipped away at the pieces that made the difference (the supporting cast as you put it.) To say otherwise puts you in denial. And then you say this in your post after that, to prove you were talking nonsense. "The pieces are there, they just need a strong supporting cast. And a new coach with new ideas and enthusiasm could be just what these guys need to get motivated again." You don't win a cup without the strong supporting cast...........so what the hell has Gillis been doing and why is it AV's fault that Gillis wouldn't know how to trade for a valuable player if his life depended on it. And by the way our core may be elite but they are only second tier elite in the playoffs. Reason? because Gillis needed to upgrade with at least two impact forwards and a big impact D. How you make any of that AV's fault is frankly incomprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Awesome. Now we can have... - Ballard playing every night (with confidence) instead of being in the press box half the season - Goalies who don't have their heads messed up because they do not know what their coach is thinking. - Prospects put in a position to develop in the big club - Offense who can score more than 1 goal per game (only accounting for Boston series) in the playoffs for 3 years straight. - When we run into penalty trouble in a series, the coach will actually make adjustments, and work with the players to make a better result. - Ebbett off our team -- replaced with an actual NHL player. All of this, and:Set lines to develop chemistryA legit chance for KassianEdler made accountable for his atrocious defence.No Edler-Bieksa pairingDaniel Sedin not on the point for the PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Was. Was. It was time and they made the right move.. Especially getting rid of brown and bowness. And all you people slamming MG, what the hell do you expect the guy to do, run over to the free agent tree and pick whatever players you want? FFS some of you act like any GM can just go out and grab any player they want and give up nothing for them.. I'm so glad that our GM has more tact and patience than these CDC gms. Sheesh. No that's not how it works...........so don't damn well insult our intelligence. It works the same way other GM's work........YOU TRADE WHAT YOU HAVE TO GET BETTER. That is all about JUDGEMENT and BARGAINING ABILITY. These players are not your sons or your best friends. They are players belonging to the Club. You don't throw NTC's at them to guarantee they will be at the Christmas Party for the next 5 years, you keep the situation as fluid and flexible as you can so that when you need to upgrade you have the pieces to do it. Gillis backed himself into a corner till he was only able to sign rehabs and duds for this team. He performed as an Agent and NOT as a GM. He has neither the mindset or the experience to get us out of this clusterf-ck he has created and ironically got rid of the only guy who was keeping us in the game despite Gillis continued brain farts and loss of focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Next up: Don't re-sign Raymond, buy out Booth. Go Gillis go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm pretty sure 5 consecutive 1st line caliber seasons trump an off year and a shortened season. Except if you're a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Absolute nonsense. This team was weakened almost from the day the Finals ended. Gradually Gillis chipped away at the pieces that made the difference (the supporting cast as you put it.) To say otherwise puts you in denial. And then you say this in your post after that, to prove you were talking nonsense. "The pieces are there, they just need a strong supporting cast. And a new coach with new ideas and enthusiasm could be just what these guys need to get motivated again." How you make any of that AV's fault is frankly incomprehensible. This team was weakened after the finals huh? I guess winning the Presidents Trophy for the second year in a row was just a result of a weak division? The first year we won it must have been the result of a strong team, but the second year was just a fluke right? The truth is the team last year was just as strong as the year before, and could have gone to the finals if it weren't for a comeplete failure by the coaching staff to come up with any sort of game plan to match the Kings. Every single game was a result of AV having no strategy to compensate for Daniel being out of the lineup, and ended up being a pathetic attempt to win games by 1 goal with a weak powerplay and a sad 5 on 5 game. The pieces were there last year to go on a run, but unfortunately the coaching staff couldn't do anything with them. This year the team wasn't as good, but they were better than a first round exit. AV was given the strongest depth down the middle he's been given since he got here, yet struggled for a month and a half before the playoffs to form any sort of chemistry between his players. So I'll say again, the pieces are there. The team just needs an infusion of support players and a coach that knows how to develop strategies to win games in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 This team was weakened after the finals huh? I guess winning the Presidents Trophy for the second year in a row was just a result of a weak division? The first year we won it must have been the result of a strong team, but the second year was just a fluke right? The truth is the team last year was just as strong as the year before, and could have gone to the finals if it weren't for a comeplete failure by the coaching staff to come up with any sort of game plan to match the Kings. Every single game was a result of AV having no strategy to compensate for Daniel being out of the lineup, and ended up being a pathetic attempt to win games by 1 goal with a weak powerplay and a sad 5 on 5 game. The pieces were there last year to go on a run, but unfortunately the coaching staff couldn't do anything with them. This year the team wasn't as good, but they were better than a first round exit. AV was given the strongest depth down the middle he's been given since he got here, yet struggled for a month and a half before the playoffs to form any sort of chemistry between his players. So I'll say again, the pieces are there. The team just needs an infusion of support players and a coach that knows how to develop strategies to win games in different ways. Are you intentionally missing the point? The team that played in the Finals was NOT the one which won the PT the following year and that team was NOT the one that played in the year after that. The PT is a far cry from the SC Playoffs as you well know. Our team that reached the finals should have BEEN STRENGTHENED not weakened. We were not good enough to score more than 8 goals against Boston............does that look like a team that needs weakening to you or does it need strengthening and in more places than the supporting cast as you put it. You can dress it up any way you like but Gillis let AV down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Are you intentionally missing the point? The team that played in the Finals was NOT the one which won the PT the following year and that team was NOT the one that played in the year after that. The PT is a far cry from the SC Playoffs as you well know. Our team that reached the finals should have BEEN STRENGTHENED not weakened. We were not good enough to score more than 8 goals against Boston............does that look like a team that needs weakening to you or does it need strengthening and in more places than the supporting cast as you put it. Gillis kept the team as strong as he could based within the confines of the salary cap; something you seem to completely ignore in your analysis. The fact that the team achieved a second president's trophy dismisses your claim that it was that much weaker. The 10/11 was one of the best teams in the last 10 years statistically, and should have cruised to a cup win. The team last year was not as good but didn't need to be to at least make it to the WCF, if not at least past the first round. It was a complete failure by the coaching staff, and anyone that thinks otherwise is looking in the wrong places to find blame. I did not miss any point, far from it. You seem to be ignoring the track record of a coach that clearly came up short with the teams he was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Well of course now that AV is gone, we're sure to see Ballard playing top four minutes and putting up 30 pts, right? Everyone's happy... I know I'm certainly looking forward to seeing that... And who is moving to the bottom pair, Hamhuis or Edler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Canucks 30 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 http://www.winnipegf...l?device=mobile ...The word from sources within the Canucks organization is that Aquilini wants Phoenix Coyotes head coach Dave Tippett. Tippett is regarded as one of the best coaches in the NHL but his track record doesn't equal that of Vigneault. http://www.vancouver...html?id=8423353 DAVE TIPPETT: Still employed by the Phoenix Coyotes, many feel he will be on the job market soon. Known for his stifling defensive systems, the 51-yearold Tippett was once a power-play guru with the Los Angeles Kings. The style he coached in Dallas and Phoenix may have been more out of necessity than choice. (Then again, Mike Modano might debate that.) Tippett spent three years in the NHL as an assistant and has been a head coach for the past 10. All 13 of his seasons have been in the Western Conference so he certainly wouldn't need any kind of tutorial on what's needed to win the West. http://www.theprovin...html?id=8421769 Tony Gallagher is not a Dave Tippett fan: Please, can we back off the name of Dave Tippett just a little too? For starters, he may stay in Phoenix. He does a great job with teams without talent other than goaltending, and two years down the road he might be the perfect man in Vancouver if this team is unable to make a San Jose Sharks-like transition and they don't have the kind of group that can make the playoffs in their sleep. But that's not this team next season when the same roster will largely be in place, a roster with a great deal of talent still kicking around. They need somebody who can get this group thinking attack, somebody capable of using and encouraging a big push from the back where you have the huge shots of Jason Garrison and Alex Edler and bright guys like Dan Hamhuis, Chris Tanev and Kevin Bieksa who can augment the assault. You can't forget defence, but the emphasis with this roster has to be adjusted to focus on the forecheck. Maybe Tippett is the kind of guy who can shift gears the way Vigneault did so well at times here, maybe even better than AV was able to do. Tippett is a great guy with charisma but whether he can actually change his stripes a long-shot. We've seen that movie here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Does anyone actually care what gallagher thinks? Not saying tippett is our man but that guys opinion is worth just as much as grapes to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensenFan2011 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I believe MG will actually go off the radar when picking a new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I believe MG will actually go off the radar when picking a new coach. Hopefully he doesn't go too far off the radar (Russia), where a certain Mike Keenan just got hired lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 He gets the most out of his roster but we'd be in fire some very boring defensive hockey - more so than av Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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