Plum Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 When the goal is to win The Cup, all decisions, draft or otherwise, are based on how to win the playoffs. I believe the trend is to larger, more physical teams, and LA is a fine example, I think. Kopitar is 6'3, Brown is 6'0, Carter is 6'4, King is 6'3, Williams is 6'1, Toffoli is 6'1, Stoll is 6'1, Gaborik is 6'1, Lewis is 6'1. 6'1 is about average height so the "big" players are Kopitar, King, and Carter on offense. Here's what many people don't know, Sutter teaches a defensive, strong, finish your check hockey. He plays a hard nose game and influences it into his team, they finish their checks with big players not small players. Gaborik started hitting quite a bit once he came to LA which surprised me but also got me thinking which is what I know now. The coach dictates how his players play. LA is a fast team not a big slow goon squad, they have alot of fast fire power (Carter, Toffoli, Gaborik, King, Williams) but also a physical two-way game lead by (Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Lewis, Stoll). Boston is a better example for old school hockey. If we get a coach like Sutter in here you'll see everyone finish their checks even if it is a light hit. Montreal upset Boston so this argument can go both ways. Ehlers isn't a soft, scared Euro. He'll play in the corners and also the same size has Mike Richards at only 18 years old with plenty of room to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I think AHL is best for Nylander, since in Sweden they tend to give prospects little ice time no matter how good they are. Also yes Shinkaruk and Nylander combo would be one of the most exciting pair in hockey. I would pay big bucks to see two Kane type players play together. Sick of seeing Kings hockey these days, so boring and every player just grinds like a machine no flair nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Let's imagine if all the top picks reach their potential and become the player he was compared to, who would you pick with our 6th pick: Reinhart/Toews Bennett/Gilmour Ekblad/Shea Weber Draisaitl/Kopitar MCD/C. Perry Nylander/Pat Kane Ehlers/P. Bure Ritchie/Bertuzzi Virtanen/Evander Kane Easy for me, Ritchie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I don't like the idea of trading Horvat and the 6th. I'd much rather trade 1 of Edler, Tanev, Hansen, Burrows, but if FLA included Kulikov I'd be willing to build around a deal including Horvat maybe. Horvat, 6th, Hansen for Reinhart, Kulikov, 3rd or 2nd rounder?(Keep in mins this is the highest 2nd rd pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD_FISH Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Would everybody actually be ok with the Canucks choosing Reinhart over Ekblad if they did end up choosing first? Also, on a side note. Its been rumored that Calgary wants Ritchie or Virtanen. Could you see a deal happening between the Canucks and Calgary? It would Guarantee the Canucks Reinhart/Ekblad/Draisaitl or Bennet. It would also pretty much guarantee Calgary Ritchie or Virtanen plus another piece from the Canucks. Seems like a fit, but what would that piece have to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Would everybody actually be ok with the Canucks choosing Reinhart over Ekblad if they did end up choosing first? Also, on a side note. Its been rumored that Calgary wants Ritchie or Virtanen. Could you see a deal happening between the Canucks and Calgary? It would Guarantee the Canucks Reinhart/Ekblad/Draisaitl or Bennet. It would also pretty much guarantee Calgary Ritchie or Virtanen plus another piece from the Canucks. Seems like a fit, but what would that piece have to be? I would take Reinhart over Ekblad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I think it'd be best for him to adapt to the NA style asap, placing him with the juniors ... not a fan of. Why not give him a head start and start from 3rd line minutes at the AHL? Add on: Imagine Shinkaruk & Nylander building a strong chemistry!I think AHL is best for Nylander, since in Sweden they tend to give prospects little ice time no matter how good they are. Also yes Shinkaruk and Nylander combo would be one of the most exciting pair in hockey. I would pay big bucks to see two Kane type players play together. Sick of seeing Kings hockey these days, so boring and every player just grinds like a machine no flair nothing....All that winning must surely suck for LA fans, that's for sure. I think i'll tell that Kings twitter guy that his team is boring.You know what? A Hunter-Willie would bring fans out of their seats... Going 'oooooh' after they're planted head-first into the boards.Seriously, why do we want to emulate the Oilers after watching LA assemble what could be a dynasty team?And even if we decide to go the 'Chicago' route, well that means having at most one flashy small player with truly elite skill. That's not Ehlers or Nylander, perimeter mush.Develop Shinkaruk. Done. Don't need a duplicate player when building a proper team.It might be fun for a few guys to watch flashy-looking losses, but most people enjoy winning cups over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerAids Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 All that winning must surely suck for LA fans, that's for sure. I think i'll tell that Kings twitter guy that his team is boring. You know what? A Hunter-Willie would bring fans out of their seats... Going 'oooooh' after they're planted head-first into the boards. Seriously, why do we want to emulate the Oilers after watching LA assemble what could be a dynasty team? And even if we decide to go the 'Chicago' route, well that means having at most one flashy small player with truly elite skill. That's not Ehlers or Nylander, perimeter mush. Develop Shinkaruk. Done. Don't need a duplicate player when building a proper team. It might be fun for a few guys to watch flashy-looking losses, but most people enjoy winning cups over that. I don't think drafting 1 player will determine the entire make up of the team either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Anyone else get the feeling Dal Colle may be a bust? I mean he seems to work well around the net and may very well become a 30 goal scorer but I don't think he'll be elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Anyone else get the feeling Dal Colle may be a bust? I mean he seems to work well around the net and may very well become a 30 goal scorer but I don't think he'll be elite Honestly his attitude seem like it will become a issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Anyone else get the feeling Dal Colle may be a bust? I mean he seems to work well around the net and may very well become a 30 goal scorer but I don't think he'll be elite I don't think he will be a bust. He might just be a player with a bad attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I've watched many of Dal Colle's interviews now, and I don't necessarily agree with many of the comments about him having an arrogant or poor attitude. In the combine interview he did look a little annoyed at the questions, but he also mentioned how all the interviews were mentally draining, so I'm inclined to give him a pass on that interview. All the other interviews look fine, maybe a little awkward, but not everyone is charasmatic in front of a camera. I'd put more weight in Coaches comments, than in how he comes off in an interview. Hell, the worst employee interview I ever conducted ended up being one of the best employees I've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If we pick Virtanen with the 6th overall pick, Im done with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If we pick Virtanen with the 6th overall pick, Im done with this team.if you're done with a team because of a draft pick... Don't need ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed or Size Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If we pick Virtanen with the 6th overall pick, Im done with this team. Don't worry its Nylander Ehlers or Ritchie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The Canucks don't need another big physical powerforward up front. Ritchie and Virtanen are tempting, but this prospect pool has enough of them. Jensen, Kassian, Horvat and Gaunce are big and strong scorers - what this prospect pool needs is skill, and especially down the middle. We have no one to replace Henrik Sedin as a top line center and these franchise players are hard to come by through free agency. We could trade a defenceman for one, throw our picks away at one or try and draft one and this season we actually have a good stab at some. Just look at the Kings. Yes, they have Brown and Kopitar who are physical beasts, and they have giants like King and Nolan in their bottom-6 who can score gritty goals, but these powerforwards are complemented by an even number of purely skilled guys who rarely hit or play dirty hockey - Gaborik and Williams. Ideally, we'd find players who fit both moulds (Kopitar/Getzlaf/Toffoli/Malkin mould) but this is a rarity, and while Virtanen and Ritchie look like they may be able to score at high levels in junior, it's often a completely different game in the big leagues, which is where many powerforwards fall down. There are far more skilled players out there in the draft than Ritchie and Virtanen which is what we want to target this draft, and I'm not just talking about Nylander and Ehlers. Kapanen and Nylander are very possibly going to go in the top-5 (Ehlers might surprise a few and go top-5 too). Obviously Ekblad and Reinhart are going in the top-3. Sam Bennett's stock may have fallen a bit after not being able to do a pull-up at the Combine, but he's still an elite player and will definately go in the top-5. That means the Canucks are pretty much going to get a shot to draft Draisaitl (if Nylander and Kapanen both go in the top-5), MDC (if only one of the European forwards go early), Nylander or heck even Kapanen. We have no need to target Ritchie or Virtanen with the top-5 quality that's out there and the fact that one of them will likely fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If we pick Virtanen with the 6th overall pick, Im done with this team. lol wow overreact much? I'd be upset too if we pick virtanen at 6. but its not the end of the world. if we traded down to 10 and picked him there I'd be okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'm fine with giving away any roster players and a prospect not named Horvat in order to get this deal done. Yeah me too. I forgot to add that. I try to keep Horvat and Kassian as untouchable. Reinhart Horvat 1-2 punch down the middle would be unreal. I just go all in if I'm benning and try my damnedest to get it back in the Kesler deal. I'd really target pouliot after that. Then you got your top 2 centres of the future, Your puck moving star offensive dman and your tough top six scoring winger in Kassian. After that your just drafting BPA and stacking prospects to fill the easier to fill holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The Canucks don't need another big physical powerforward up front. Ritchie and Virtanen are tempting, but this prospect pool has enough of them. Jensen, Kassian, Horvat and Gaunce are big and strong scorers - what this prospect pool needs is skill, and especially down the middle. We have no one to replace Henrik Sedin as a top line center and these franchise players are hard to come by through free agency. We could trade a defenceman for one, throw our picks away at one or try and draft one and this season we actually have a good stab at some. Just look at the Kings. Yes, they have Brown and Kopitar who are physical beasts, and they have giants like King and Nolan in their bottom-6 who can score gritty goals, but these powerforwards are complemented by an even number of purely skilled guys who rarely hit or play dirty hockey - Gaborik and Williams. Ideally, we'd find players who fit both moulds (Kopitar/Getzlaf/Toffoli/Malkin mould) but this is a rarity, and while Virtanen and Ritchie look like they may be able to score at high levels in junior, it's often a completely different game in the big leagues, which is where many powerforwards fall down. There are far more skilled players out there in the draft than Ritchie and Virtanen which is what we want to target this draft, and I'm not just talking about Nylander and Ehlers. Kapanen and Nylander are very possibly going to go in the top-5 (Ehlers might surprise a few and go top-5 too). Obviously Ekblad and Reinhart are going in the top-3. Sam Bennett's stock may have fallen a bit after not being able to do a pull-up at the Combine, but he's still an elite player and will definately go in the top-5. That means the Canucks are pretty much going to get a shot to draft Draisaitl (if Nylander and Kapanen both go in the top-5), MDC (if only one of the European forwards go early), Nylander or heck even Kapanen. We have no need to target Ritchie or Virtanen with the top-5 quality that's out there and the fact that one of them will likely fall. Draisaitl isn't falling past 4. Bennett stock hasn't moved. Gm's put little care into the combine, it's mostly used to get to know a players personality and meet the kid they've been watching all year. Remember they've all watched these kids play in in-game situations prior and they seen what they can do on the ice. The top 5 are set. the only thing that will change the scene is if a trade happens. Ekblad Bennett Draisaitl Reinhart Dal Colle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.