Warhippy Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 . Matthias was playing on the 3rd line with Florida, and is NOT a UFA. Diaz IS a UFA so we got a 5th round pick for nothing (and could sign him back if they really wanted). Markstrom is still a highly touted goalie prospect, has been playing very well in the AHL, and will do well under Rollie Mellansons tutelage (and was Lacks friend and team mate in the SEL) Horvat has been playing lights out in the OHL and will make the team next year. Moving Lunogo was a move to clear space and move on from the drama. There was never going to be a lot offered to him with that contract, thats just the facts. Both Gillis and Luongo are to blame for that contract. I for one am glad its over. I wish we could have moved Kesler at the deadline, but Im guessing the offers just werent good enough. I certainly hope that Aquillini didnt nix a potential trade that could have netted us some young talent and prospects. Whatever the case, Kesler will still have plenty of value at the draft with more teams bidding for his services and the Cap going up substantially. If you read. Yes Matthias as of the end of next season IS a UFA. Diaz was needed here as one more injury we've NO defensive depth with Alberts still out. Markstrom WAS highly touted but most analysts are now questioning his transition to a small ice game for good reason. Lack and erikkson translated in a season, Markstrom has had almost 4. Horvat is playing well in the OHL. No guarantee it works in his first season in the NHL. I have never been good with the idea fo rushing prospects. Had Luongo been moved last season when was appropriate, according to all rumours the return would have been better than matthias and a Goalie prospect. Added we are eating roughly $800k for the next 4 years and still deal with cap recapture if/when he retires. The issue with hoping for decent return at the draft day is that there is the expectation Kesler will waive for more teams. Based on what? He could very well waive for less. That the value of return will be the same. Unlikely as the Olympic showcase is over and teams are not pushing for a cup anymore. They're getting ready for a new season. And then there is the UFA issue with a rising cap, every team int he league will be able to throw $5+ million or more in additional cap space at UFA's and most will hold on to their assets and just do this instead. Now the big one. Players talk. they see what this management group has done to its star players and it is hard to believe we can attract solid UFA's into a "winning" culture when we don't have one anymore and players could be shat on at any time. This is quickly looking like the 95/96 season that lead into some of our worst years in club history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Have a feeling that most teams in the East don't feel they have a sure shot at the Cup against the powerhouses of the West. Pitts all injured Boston doesn't score enough Phili is just not that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortorellatheboss Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Wait though...if ownership was so sure the Canucks were making the playoffs, why would they approve the Luongo trade? Doesn't make much sense that they think Kesler is more important than Luongo in a push to the playoffs. Yeah IDK, maybe I'm wrong, just seems really weird that they would approve a Luongo trade but veto a Kesler trade which would probably get a bigger return. No, I don't think this the Aqullini's fault. I think this Mike Gillis being an incompetent GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 David Ebner @DavidEbner Penguins offers for Kesler were parts of a player-prospects-pick but never the whole trifecta. Canucks decide to wait. If we couldn't get at least Bennett, Pouliot and a 1st (if they want to move Sutter as well, fine, but we don't need him) then I'd turn it down too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Let's not buy into speculation here. Kesler remains with this team and is still the best forward on the team. Gillis realized that he wouldn't get a player back of comparable stature and so he chose not to trade him. Those whelps in the media sure got everyone's heads a spinning. Kesler stated to the media that all talk about him wanting out was false. I'll believe him over some parasites on TSN, Sportsnet, or 1040. Rather than viewing him as a centerpiece in a trade, how's about viewing him as the centerpiece in a rebuild. If Kesler stays, he should get a letter back on his jersey. The C. Throughout this debacle he has played well. He has scored goals and been excellent defensively. He's the type of player you want to lead a team. No other centre, cough Henrik cough, played to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I don't understand. Does MG think we have a shot at the playoffs? Does Kesler want to stay in this dysfunctional team? Wasn't Kesler going to get important returns to help us get younger and better for the future? What happens now if Kesler gets hurt? I guess this is another fail for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ferraro is spot on when he says the Canucks are half pregnant. Not in a position to rebuild, not in a position to win. Embarrassing franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themcdeal Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 team is in shambles from top down ownership, gm and coach are not in alignment at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The 1st we gave to FL for Ballard and the two 2nd we gave to Dallas for Roy count. Our pool would be much stronger if we had kept those picks. Ballard was far from a rental and we only gave up one 2nd and Connauton, who is not going to make an impact at the NHL level IMHO, for Roy. The subject was about rentals. You can make you point while getting the facts correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Well, on the bright side, by waiting to deal Kesler we're getting closer to those 2015 & 2016 draft picks that we'd much prefer having over the shallow 2014 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Well, on the bright side, by waiting to deal Kesler we're getting closer to those 2015 & 2016 draft picks that we'd much prefer having over the shallow 2014 draft. Unless he is dealt at the draft. Kesler to the Island for their pick might be interesting this year. The have to make a push this offseason going into Brooklyn and not having a 1st round pick next year. I wonder if NY City is big enough for Kes' ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 If we couldn't get at least Bennett, Pouliot and a 1st (if they want to move Sutter as well, fine, but we don't need him) then I'd turn it down too. Totally agree. Shi--y offer from the Pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Players seemed to be going for cheap, it might not have been the best time to deal Kesler. Look for something to happen at the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 What were the 5 official teams Kesler was waiving for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 It doesn't matter if Kesler or Edler don't want off this team it's we need to move some of our better assets to get some youth injected into the lineup. If some players haven't asked for a trade already then they should be. We are on pace right now to have our first losing season since 1998-1999. Back then Mark Messier was our captain, Garth Snow was our goalie, we traded Pavel Bure and Mike Keenan was our coach. Not the best of times and that's exactly where this team is heading. And would we not get more value on draft day? Most teams this year are sitting at the cap ceiling, meaning in order to bring in a Kesler or Edler $5 million contract an equivalent contract will have to be sent back our way. The teams interested in Kesler were cup contending teams. Right? Thus along with a cap dump they are not going to trade back any of the impact players for Kesler in order to not create holes elsewhere on their team, so the only return we could get for Kes right now is picks and prospects, Picks which we don’t know where each team will finish this year likely in the 20-30 range. It only makes sense that if we truly are looking to move Kesler that we wait until then. Cap is going up, teams have more space to bring him in. More teams will be in on the bid, and we will start to see where this team will be at looking forward. The asset return at a draft can change the outlook of a franchise, Trade deadline when teams are making impulse decisions. Not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ballard was far from a rental and we only gave up one 2nd and Connauton, who is not going to make an impact at the NHL level IMHO, for Roy. Around the same price as the Vanek trade today... and Roy is no Vanek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Plow Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Just don't understand why deal Luongo at this time? If your not going to deal other key members for picks/prospects, why not just keep Luongo and at least attempted making the 8th seed and go from there? Just don't understand the logic, you could have easily made a deal with Florida around the draft for Luongo because clearly they were interested, should have just treated the guy better and played this season out. Also regarding Kesler, how are you going to get better value around the draft? Teams realized if they traded for him now they would get three potential playoff runs out of him, now if we deal him at the draft you get lower value because it goes from three playoff rounds to two. Totally confused with the direction of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Players seemed to be going for cheap, it might not have been the best time to deal Kesler. Look for something to happen at the draft. Seems that way too... we used to be appalled at the high selling prices every deadline. Not this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Prices were crap for players today. If the reported offer from pens was sutter, 1st and depress i'm glad gillis said no. Now he needs to make moves at or before draft and maybe explore the market for the sedins as well, if you are going to blow it up all decks on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.Joneson Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 And would we not get more value on draft day? Most teams this year are sitting at the cap ceiling, meaning in order to bring in a Kesler or Edler $5 million contract an equivalent contract will have to be sent back our way. The teams interested in Kesler were cup contending teams. Right? Thus they are not going to trade back any of the impact players for Kesler in order to not create holes elsewhere on their team, so the only return we could get for Kes right now is picks and prospects, Picks which we don’t know where each team will finish this year likely in the 20-30 range. It only makes sense that if we truly are looking to move Kesler that we wait until then. Cap is going up, teams have more space to bring him in. More teams will be in on the bid, and we will start to see where this team will be at looking forward. The asset return at a draft can change the outlook of a franchise, Trade deadline when teams are making impulse decisions. Not so much Sure if we get better offers at the draft but there is no guarantee of that. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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