Frazzy Desjardins Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 If MG never got fired could you imagine how flooded these boards would be. FAQ clearly runs CDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 You don't have any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims yet you require someone else to have evidence to disprove those ridiculous claims. Seems legit. What ridiculous clamps do you speak of? Edit: I think you missed that I responded to JC who was responding to another poster asking for them to do find evidence without providing any them selfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What Sestito brings to the table is the ability to take any of the other teams heavyweights off the ice freeing up Kassian to police to other teams without losing his offense. That's more valuable then Weise's Jeff Cowan imitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Those NTC's that a handful of players have are really hurting the Canucks' ability to free up enough cap room to be in the running to pick up a couple of "A rated" players. Linden and the incoming GM seriously need to find a couple of young "diamonds in the rough" RFA's to at least put a decent third line together. If need be, whoever is coaching next year needs to be able to run three decent scoring lines along with a physical hard checking fourth line. I think the Canucks are in far better cap health shape than people perceive. The Canucks currently have 9.9 million in cap space. They have Tanev, Kassian, Schroeder, Dalpe and Weber as RFAs and Santorelli and Alberts as UFAs. Tanev I would project to double his current cap hit - in the 3 or 4 years at 3 million range. Kassian is likely to prefer a bridge of a couple years at 2 million - I'd be happy to see him sign a longer term deal for more but he's unlikely to sign long enough term to the point where his cap hit exceeds 3 million. Schroeder, Dalpe and Weber are likely to be qualified only - but haven't really earned more than the 10% qualifying offers on the 550, 600, 650 they made this year = 1.98 million combined. Santorelli was on course to command 600% on what he made this year, but his season ending injury will effect that and probably puts him in a position to prove himself again on something like a one year $2 million deal. So if we assume that the Canucks re-sign and qualify all these guys, they have the cap space to do so, and probably about a million to spare. It would put them at 26 roster spots. They don't really need any help putting a good third line together - Higgins, Hansen, Richardson, Kassian, Matthias - if anything, the 3rd line may have been the Canucks best this year and likely to be as good or better next year. What they need to add (if they keep Kesler) is a playmaker for his line imo. If they retain Kesler, they ought to have enough options among Santorelli, Kassian, Jensen etc to find one winger for that line - imo the one thing they need is that playmaking second liner. The interesting part in the summer is that the CBA permits teams to go 10% over the cap in the interim - so they'd have time to become cap compliant if they for example chose to offer someone on the UFA market a 7 million deal. Personally there is only one player on the UFA market I would go anywhere near for that kind of money, and that would be Stastny. If they were by chance to sign Paul Stastny to a reasonable deal in the range he is making (6.6) - of course there will be plenty of teams in the running if he doesn't re-sign in Colorado - they'd have a number of relatively easy ways of becoming compliant. First. they still retain a compliance buyout - and Booth's 1 year left at 4.5 would cost them 1 and 1.5 to buy out. That alone would deal with the bulk of space they'd need - and they'd have the option of waiting to see whether in fact they'd need to do so being able to spend over the cap in the summer. So they're actually in a relatively easy and flexible cap situation. They additionally don't really need to go RFA hunting - for the first time in a long time they should have multiple prospects capable of making the roster if they chose to inject more youth in the lineup - Jensen, Corrado, Gaunce, Horvat - are the more obvious contenders - and they have a few other guys like Archibald, Lain and Grenier who could be forcing their way into depth positions. Even just one or two of those guys give the team two way options to have players they can freely use or send back - not subject to waivers - and are obviously very cap friendly. Without even touching any of the NTC's, the team is realistically easily positioned to pursue anyone on the UFA market -and when you get down to it, there are only a few guys that I'd have a lot of interest in at market value - Grabovski would be another guy I'd be interested in but again, the Canucks could easily afford him if they opted for a center as opposed to Booth - and in Grabovski's case, they'd still have a number of million in cap space remaining. Sedin Sedin Burrows Santorelli Kesler Kassian Booth Higgins Richardson Matthias Schroeder Hansen Archibald Zalewski Sestito Lain Dalpe Welsh Grenier Zalewski That lineup doesn't include any of the prospects like Jensen, Gaunce, Horvat etc, and it doesn't include any UFA signings. Imo they are free to and can focus on two things - a UFA like Stastny or alternatively a guy like Grabovski would also look pretty good on Kesler's wing - what a gd nightmare line to play against were that the case. I also think one of the biggest mistakes the past offseason was not taking advantage of the flooded market to sign a veteran center - a shutdown faceoff specialist type (and there were a number available) - that may have made the fourth line deeper and play a more effective role. If Lain, Horvat, or Gaunce aren't ready to step in and deepen the Canucks down the middle, they may still want to do that. However, even without adding a Stastny, Grabovski or depth C, they still have Hank, Kesler, Santo, Richardson, Matthias, Lain, Horvat, Gaunce... If they did opt to move an NTC like Kesler (and buyout Booth), they could create double digit cap space to work with - but in either event, are free to go over the cap enough that they could sign virtually anyone - wait and see and then turn around and buyout Booth afterwards if necessary. I personally see a lot of flexibility there as opposed to being hurt by NTCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Refreshing optics there Old news, nice to see a projected lineup that isn't peppered with multiple FA's or rookies because it's the most likely scenario. Imo we drop Schroeder, Dalpe and trade Hansen (Booth I'm on the fence about, my gut tell's me to trade him after his little resurgence and before he gets hurt again) making room for 1 FA acquisition and 1-2 rookies/promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'd prefer we nab a PMD myself to play with Edler myself Oldnews but otherwise your post is spot on re: the cap. Sedin, Sedin, Jensen/Burrows #6pick/prospect/UFA/Burrows, Kesler, Kassian Higgins, Horvat, Santorelli Matthias, Richardson, Burrows/prospect Sestito (spare) Hamhuis, Bieksa/Tanev Edler, Niskanen Garrison, Bieksa/Tanev Stanton, Weber (spares) Lack, Markstrom IMO, we have ready/close to ready forwards to play that 2nd line LW spot and any of Burrows/Higgins/Santorelli could fill in there if none of the prospects are ready/we can't find or squeeze a UFA under the cap. We do not have a good PMD close to ready (if at all) in our prospects however. I think it's a smarter buy. Now if Kesler does want out, then by all means we should target Stastny. But he'd slide right in to Kesler's spot in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'd prefer we nab a PMD myself to play with Edler myself Oldnews but otherwise your post is spot on re: the cap. Sedin, Sedin, Jensen/Burrows #6pick/prospect/UFA/Burrows, Kesler, Kassian Higgins, Horvat, Santorelli Matthias, Richardson, Burrows/prospect Sestito (spare) Hamhuis, Bieksa/Tanev Edler, Niskanen Garrison, Bieksa/Tanev Stanton, Weber (spares) Lack, Markstrom IMO, we have ready/close to ready forwards to play that 2nd line LW spot and any of Burrows/Higgins/Santorelli could fill in there if none of the prospects are ready/we can't find or squeeze a UFA under the cap. We do not have a good PMD close to ready (if at all) in our prospects however. I think it's a smarter buy. Now if Kesler does want out, then by all means we should target Stastny. But he'd slide right in to Kesler's spot in that case. I think only if Dal Colle miraculously drops to #6 will we see this years draft pick make the line up. Everyone else who might be available at that spot probably needs the necessary development in junior then AHL before making the jump. Dal Colle is one of those rare players who have the physical maturity and hockey know-how to make the jump right away. Could see him being a Shaw or Saad for the Canucks if they manage to snag him, probably not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think only if Dal Colle miraculously drops to #6 will we see this years draft pick make the line up. Everyone else who might be available at that spot probably needs the necessary development in junior then AHL before making the jump. Dal Colle is one of those rare players who have the physical maturity and hockey know-how to make the jump right away. Could see him being a Shaw or Saad for the Canucks if they manage to snag him, probably not though. I could see Drai there as well, again, if he miraculously drops. Shinkaruk/Fox have an outside chance of surprising as well. Shinkaruk might pull a "Jensen" and need a few months in Utica to get back in to playing shape and get his timing etc back and be a fit part way through the season as well. I'm fine with Burrows/Santorelli playing there in the mean time to see if Shink or anyone else earns that spot. If not, I just ran the numbers on Capgeek and we'd still have ~$4m to possibly acquire someone at the deadline. If we move Kesler, that number gets silly (or would be plenty of room to add Stastny and Nisk this summer). FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($7.000m) / Henrik Sedin ($7.000m) / Nicklas Jensen ($0.863m) Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($2.500m) Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Bo Horvat ($0.894m) / Mike Santorelli ($2.000m) Tom Sestito ($0.750m) / Brad Richardson ($1.150m) / Shawn Matthias ($1.750m) Jordan Schroeder ($0.700m) / DEFENSEMEN Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Chris Tanev ($3.000m) Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.500m) Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) Ryan Stanton ($0.550m) / Yannick Weber ($0.800m) GOALTENDERS Jacob Markstrom ($1.200m) Eddie Lack ($1.150m) BUYOUTS David Booth ($0.000m) Keith Ballard ($0.000m) RETAINED SALARIES (1.13% of upper limit) Roberto Luongo ($0.800m—15.00%) ------CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)(estimations for 2014-15)SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,307,500; BONUSES: $850,000CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,792,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'd prefer we nab a PMD myself to play with Edler myself Oldnews but otherwise your post is spot on re: the cap. Sedin, Sedin, Jensen/Burrows #6pick/prospect/UFA/Burrows, Kesler, Kassian Higgins, Horvat, Santorelli Matthias, Richardson, Burrows/prospect Sestito (spare) Hamhuis, Bieksa/Tanev Edler, Niskanen Garrison, Bieksa/Tanev Stanton, Weber (spares) Lack, Markstrom IMO, we have ready/close to ready forwards to play that 2nd line LW spot and any of Burrows/Higgins/Santorelli could fill in there if none of the prospects are ready/we can't find or squeeze a UFA under the cap. We do not have a good PMD close to ready (if at all) in our prospects however. I think it's a smarter buy. Now if Kesler does want out, then by all means we should target Stastny. But he'd slide right in to Kesler's spot in that case. Haven't really touched on the blueline - partly because I don't see a high likelihood of moving anyone in the top 6. Also, of the available 'puck movers' I probably wouldn't be interested enough - Niskanen seems to be the one on some people's/everyone's radar, but I'm not sure I'd get into that bidding - he's likely to cash in pretty handily and I think he'll go for more than he's worth in the context of a UFA market where most of the other quality on the market will be quite old. I think that the bidding for him could be downright silly - but who knows - he could be a good fit here even if his numbers are slightly inflated. I'd probably rather see the team build from within - if they get a pick in the 10-15 range, I like Honka. I'd also be open to a young guy like Erixon who is on the verge of NHL readiness. If Pittsburgh is prepared to properly ante up for Kesler and start with Pouliot, perhaps there's something to talk about. But regarding Edler, I think one of our solid young right side guys may have to do for now - Tanev or Corrado. Not sure what Tortorella's reasoning for trying to force the Edler/Bieksa pairing is, but it would be interesting to hear. A pmd would certainly be a nice player to add, but about as rare as dominant power forwards...tend to have to develop them yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 A pmd would certainly be a nice player to add, but about as rare as dominant power forwards...tend to have to develop them yourself. Unfortunately that's usually true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken kaniff Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Love how everyone blames the owners for everything bad that has happened but have no evidence to back it up. One person with no evidence says its the owners and everyone jumps on the band wagon. Classic CDC. Its done now, Gillis is gone. If anything this will repair our image around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngdad Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm going to go out on a limb right now and guess that as I type this, Mike Gillis is very drunk, and possibly homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Love how everyone blames the owners for everything bad that has happened but have no evidence to back it up. One person with no evidence says its the owners and everyone jumps on the band wagon. Classic CDC. Its done now, Gillis is gone. If anything this will repair our image around the league. Nothing will repair that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm going to go out on a limb right now and guess that as I type this, Mike Gillis is very drunk, and possibly homeless. please show some respect. The best years of the Vancouver Canucks were in doubt under Mike Gillis, the achievements including our 1st presidents trophies, (back to back) first time a Canuck player won an art Ross trophy, (back to back 2 different players) and a 1st Canuck to win a Frank J Selke trophy Lady Bying and Most valuable player award. I know he did screw things up, but please show some respect. No GM in Canuck history has come close to what Mike Gillis has achieved, although I hope to be proven wrong, I don't think what he did can replicated anytime soon. MIke Gillis Truly made the error of thinking guys like Torres Lappiere, were re placeable grinders, when in fact, they are not. Not even close. K Conn, wow..... anyone saw this coming???? I thought he was going to be a career ahler. That guy was a minus machine and playing good, love to see him on the re tooling Canucks roster. Watching him play live He reminded me of Eddy Jovanovski. What of the good finds our Canucks scouting staff found . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngdad Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 please show some respect. The best years of the Vancouver Canucks were in doubt under Mike Gillis, the achievements including our 1st presidents trophies, (back to back) first time a Canuck player won an art Ross trophy, (back to back 2 different players) and a 1st Canuck to win a Frank J Selke trophy Lady Bying and Most valuable player award. I know he did screw things up, but please show some respect. No GM in Canuck history has come close to what Mike Gillis has achieved, although I hope to be proven wrong, I don't think what he did can replicated anytime soon. MIke Gillis Truly made the error of thinking guys like Torres Lappiere, were re placeable grinders, when in fact, they are not. Not even close. K Conn, wow..... anyone saw this coming???? I thought he was going to be a career ahler. That guy was a minus machine and playing good, love to see him on the re tooling Canucks roster. Watching him play live He reminded me of Eddy Jovanovski. What of the good finds our Canucks scouting staff found . I just said I think he's drunk right this second and might be on the street. How is that disrespectful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngdad Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Nothing will repair that. Trevor Linden says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I just said I think he's drunk right this second and might be on the street. How is that disrespectful? Lol i could see him very drunk right now! Homeless i doubt... but very drunk and red faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 please show some respect. The best years of the Vancouver Canucks were in doubt under Mike Gillis, the achievements including our 1st presidents trophies, (back to back) first time a Canuck player won an art Ross trophy, (back to back 2 different players) and a 1st Canuck to win a Frank J Selke trophy Lady Bying and Most valuable player award. I know he did screw things up, but please show some respect. No GM in Canuck history has come close to what Mike Gillis has achieved, although I hope to be proven wrong, I don't think what he did can replicated anytime soon. MIke Gillis Truly made the error of thinking guys like Torres Lappiere, were re placeable grinders, when in fact, they are not. Not even close. K Conn, wow..... anyone saw this coming???? I thought he was going to be a career ahler. That guy was a minus machine and playing good, love to see him on the re tooling Canucks roster. Watching him play live He reminded me of Eddy Jovanovski. What of the good finds our Canucks scouting staff found . Slow down there cowboy, before we give a long list of accolades to a parted GM let's think first. Giving Gillis credit for back to back Art Ross Trophys and a Selke Trophy is so wrong. He had nothing to do with it, that was the player's themselves and nothing more. If MG had brought these players into the team, different story. Now with back to back President Trophys, do you really think that is something everyone will remember? I don't, i think everyone remember's game 7 in the final but no one will care about first overall in a few years. The one easy argument though is that with two Art Ross winning players and a Selke winner it was their dominance that was the biggest part of being the top team in the league so MG is losing again. The one thing he did do very well was take two high quality goaltenders and squander them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I was screaming for his head at the 2011 trade deadline. This is long overdue. Back then, most every player was having a career year. Rather than getting that engine dialed in for the upcoming drag race, Gillis did nothing. I'm still shocked that San Jose laid down at their feet that series, btw. From that year on, it was a series of f-ups and some snooze signings, like Stanton and Santorelli, but Gillis's freedom fighters were here defending him. Funny, those same posters that put up such a fight, or that were on the fence, are now in here, bleating along with the flow; with the migrating CDC popular opinion. Now, they post admissions. Now, they offer up disappointment with the roster. Now, they turn. Throw in here those fence-sitting parrots of the group and you get a snap-shot of the CDC herd. Black sheep, "troll" posters say, hi. What a waste. IMO, Gillis wasted the best years of Luongo, Kesler, Burrows and the now, sea-anchor like, Sedins. He had the horses to run, but did nothing. I use Quinn's 1994 moves as a reference to highlight a balanced team vs what Gillis did. What a waste. Whatever roster moves Gillis made here were always a year+ too late... and his dinkish replies to any form of extremely warranted criticism, were straight out of a high school kids mouth. He was one of the worst things to happen to this team, PR wise. So bad, in fact, that #16's fame is needed to champion the massive PR cause. What a free-fall. An epic. The stats on the poll suggest that 2/3 are happy with the firing. Way to wake up, CDC. *claps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Canuck Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I'm going to go out on a limb right now and guess that as I type this, Mike Gillis is very drunk, and possibly homeless. He earned more money last year than you will probably earn in your lifetime .. so you must be living in a cardboard box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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