Canucks Prophet Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 3 hours ago, manroth19 said: This is obviously the ceilings Horvat - oreilly Mccann - giroux Boeser - pavelski Virt - booth ( pre concussion) Shinks - parise (poor mans parise) Baer - demitra The baer was hard but the rest i feel are pretty close The Virt - Booth comparison is a head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think Boeser is either Sharp or Oshie imho (comparison wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 57 minutes ago, Canucks Prophet said: The Virt - Booth comparison is a head scratcher. Virt at 6 th overall made me scratch my head to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 2 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: Virt at 6 th overall made me scratch my head to. Why? He was ranked 6th among North American skaters. Clearly the scouts thought he was worthy of a top 10 pick. I'll take their word for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 10 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Why? He was ranked 6th among North American skaters. Clearly the scouts thought he was worthy of a top 10 pick. I'll take their word for it. Even Button had him going 6th overall on the week of the draft. http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=121032 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 hours ago, manroth19 said: This is obviously the ceilings Horvat - oreilly Mccann - giroux Boeser - pavelski Virt - booth ( pre concussion) Shinks - parise (poor mans parise) Baer - demitra The baer was hard but the rest i feel are pretty close Virt will be WAY better than Booth...He had 1 1/2 good seasons. If Shink gets even half as good as Parise it would be a miracle. Baer and Demitra......LOL Demitra was a force in his Prime/ The force couldn't help Baer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 2 minutes ago, Canorth said: Even Button had him going 6th overall on the week of the draft. http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=121032 I mean it was somewhat obvious. Benning clearly likes a certain type of player. Guys that play hard with an edge to their game. To me it was either between him or Ritchie in Bennings mind. Virtanen's speed and the fact that he's a local boy probably tipped the scales in his favor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 21 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: Virt at 6 th overall made me scratch my head to. not me. He was the right pick at 6, virtually all scouting had him at number 6, if not number just 1 or 2 spots lower, but he was pretty much number 6 in like 90% of all sources. If he doesn't pann out, my guess is by the time that is actualized, Benning will no longer have a job with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 On 12/8/2015, 1:35:34, canuktravella said: none are accurate in my eyes horvat is decent but i dont see him as ever being as good as bergeron comparables - ryan o reily mccann - modano virtanen - perry without as much offence but better skating and hitter boeser - hull ultra lite hopefully he lights up league with snipes shinkaruk - verbeek snipes with good work in corners baertchi - vanek is he pans out demko - brodeur lite this kids gonna be legit Shink / Verbeek is kinda interesting.. any more insight as to why you came up with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 16 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean it was somewhat obvious. Benning clearly likes a certain type of player. Guys that play hard with an edge to their game. To me it was either between him or Ritchie in Bennings mind. Virtanen's speed and the fact that he's a local boy probably tipped the scales in his favor. Has it been mentioned that maybe his will to complete his ND education caused a few teams to pass on him? Lol, probably a few times.. Hopefully Brock is loyal, my gut tells me he's in ND for a while yet. What other 2015 1st rounders are yet unsigned to ELCs and what might those reasons be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 On December 9, 2015 at 5:30:37 PM, Western Red said: Shink / Verbeek is kinda interesting.. any more insight as to why you came up with this? because verbeek would wirk hard in corners and pull off snipes as well which is exactly how shinkaruk has played this yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 21 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: not me. He was the right pick at 6, virtually all scouting had him at number 6, if not number just 1 or 2 spots lower, but he was pretty much number 6 in like 90% of all sources. If he doesn't pann out, my guess is by the time that is actualized, Benning will no longer have a job with us. Exactly why I scratched my head, how Virt was at 6th in some draft mocks, though there was a few where he was at 24, which I thought was fair. Perhaps judging a player for about 20 games as a scout and stat watching is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: Perhaps judging a player for about 20 games as a scout and stat watching is not enough. Do you honestly think that's all they do? These rankings are produced by a large group of scouts that watch players numerous times throughout the season. They have more insight into these players than the average fan who simply calls picks bad a year after they're drafted. Edited December 10, 2015 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cowardrobertford said: Exactly why I scratched my head, how Virt was at 6th in some draft mocks, though there was a few where he was at 24, which I thought was fair. Perhaps judging a player for about 20 games as a scout and stat watching is not enough. You pick Jake for his Raw Tools and Potential to become they type of player that you build a contender. Not for the elite offensive skill set which is relativily easy to find thoughout the draft. Just because a player puts up 50-60 points a year doesn't mean he has a greater impact on the success of the team than a guy who puts up 40 points a year Edited December 10, 2015 by Gstank29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 6 minutes ago, canuktravella said: because verbeek would wirk hard in corners and pull off snipes as well which is exactly how shinkaruk has played this yr Interesting parallel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 hours ago, Canucks Prophet said: The Virt - Booth comparison is a head scratcher. Still wondering why people hate this comparison. Booth pre-concussion put up goals, was fast, and was not afraid to lean in with the body - this is everything people want in JV. Just because people don't like Booth doesn't mean they're not similar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 7 minutes ago, guntrix said: Still wondering why people hate this comparison. Booth pre-concussion put up goals, was fast, and was not afraid to lean in with the body - this is everything people want in JV. Just because people don't like Booth doesn't mean they're not similar. There's simply better comparisons for Virtanen than Booth. Anyone who expects great things from Virtanen will want a higher ceiling than anything Booth did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Would Ennis be a better comparison for Shinkaurik? Small guy that can skate, battles hard and has some decent hands? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 3 hours ago, Gstank29 said: You pick Jake for his Raw Tools and Potential to become they type of player that you build a contender. Not for the elite offensive skill set which is relativily easy to find thoughout the draft. Just because a player puts up 50-60 points a year doesn't mean he has a greater impact on the success of the team than a guy who puts up 40 points a year Elite offensive skill, relatively easy to find. That seems difficult to believe. I mean if it is why don't we have one, cept McCann. I won't build a team on Jake judging in what he had shown when comparing with what other players at his draft class have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manroth19 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, Canucks Prophet said: There's simply better comparisons for Virtanen than Booth. Anyone who expects great things from Virtanen will want a higher ceiling than anything Booth did. booth was putting up 30 goals hard north south player that hit everything and drove the net.....id say its a hell of a lot closer then the perry comparison and okposo. evander is the best of the bunch. i just think people forget what booth was like those couple good years he had 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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