Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 For anything said on HF Boards regarding the Canucks, take the opposite as truth. It's uncanny the accuracy. If they were to ever start complimenting Benning or being positive about the team, I would get very concerned. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I’ve think I’ve always said third liner. No reason to change that opinion. Two-way, speed and energy guy, with the skills to make good plays, maybe some 2nd unit PP, and hopefully some PK (he’s still working on that part but I think he could become a great penalty killer). EDIT: re: the Trinec GM, it was really strange at the time. You had a kid that wanted to play CHL. I’m sure it happens but I’ve just never heard of another team saying “sorry kid but you can’t leave.” And then, to add insult to injury, they played him sporadically and like 5-7 minutes a game with zero opportunities. I know it was very strange how he was handled over there. Borderline ridiculous. In any case i'm not complaining because the kid has an absolute fire in his tummy right now. I know you and I have talked about the Hansen comparison, but I really like the way he is trending since he come over. I hope he has a great playoffs. He's got the style of game to be very effective in the post season. No quit motor, chippy, can score, beauty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I’ve think I’ve always said third liner. No reason to change that opinion. Two-way, speed and energy guy, with the skills to make good plays, maybe some 2nd unit PP, and hopefully some PK (he’s still working on that part but I think he could become a great penalty killer). EDIT: re: the Trinec GM, it was really strange at the time. You had a kid that wanted to play CHL. I’m sure it happens but I’ve just never heard of another team saying “sorry kid but you can’t leave.” And then, to add insult to injury, they played him sporadically and like 5-7 minutes a game with zero opportunities. well we can always use a guy like that. I wonder why the GM was being such a dick? makes no sense. Oh well, sounds like LJ is making up for lost time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: well we can always use a guy like that. I wonder why the GM was being such a dick? makes no sense. Oh well, sounds like LJ is making up for lost time anyway. I think part of it was that they really valued him as a junior and put a lot of time into him. When I dug around, I’d find him in lots of their promo material and photo ops when he was younger. So they probably hoped they’d keep him in their system long term. Not sure why they ended up underusing him. Some of it was just that he wasn’t quite ready for Extraliga and was too good for U20, so he didn’t fit well. It’s also possible they were playing hardball with him and punishing him a bit after he asked to leave for the CHL. Also, from what I’ve gathered, the Czechs don’t tend to play their youngsters too much at the pro level (and IIRC the league actually forces them to ice a minimum number of developing players—so lots of kids get the 5 minutes treatment). Anyway, water under the bridge now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Happy to hear they see something in him. Our depth competition just got deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 6 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: So a little support for the research I’d done on the contractual issues (and how there really wasn’t an issue): Guy’s a freelancer but he’s written for IIHF.com. You were always right on this it seems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Top number NHL salary, middle number potential bonuses, bottom number AHL salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, MattJVD said: Top number NHL salary, middle number potential bonuses, bottom number AHL salary? Yup. Dhaliwal never clarified, but that's the most likely option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 9 hours ago, MattJVD said: Top number NHL salary, middle number potential bonuses, bottom number AHL salary? Middle # is ELC signing bonus. ( x3 ) CapFriendly answers all questions ! https://www.capfriendly.com/players/lukas-jasek 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 21 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said: I know it was very strange how he was handled over there. Borderline ridiculous. In any case i'm not complaining because the kid has an absolute fire in his tummy right now. I know you and I have talked about the Hansen comparison, but I really like the way he is trending since he come over. I hope he has a great playoffs. He's got the style of game to be very effective in the post season. No quit motor, chippy, can score, beauty. Man if he could become anything close to Pastrnak (dreaming I know). One thing I have noticed about Czech players is that they typically seem to play with passion. I remember watching the Czech team play Canada in the Olympics and they played an edgy and aggressive game. No backing down or shying away from contact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Borvat said: Man if he could become anything close to Pastrnak (dreaming I know). One thing I have noticed about Czech players is that they typically seem to play with passion. I remember watching the Czech team play Canada in the Olympics and they played an edgy and aggressive game. No backing down or shying away from contact. Extraliga gets pretty physical as well. Many of their playoff games rival NHL playoffs for intensity and general extracurriculars. Lots of hitting, nasty stick work, scrums, and fights (actually probably more fights than the NHL playoffs). Same can be said for most European leagues these days. It's not the old days where coming to North America was a real eye opener for European players. Today, the guys who've played in the top Euro elite leagues have experienced more than their share of the rough stuff. Edited April 21, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 23 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: For anything said on HF Boards regarding the Canucks, take the opposite as truth. It's uncanny the accuracy. If they were to ever start complimenting Benning or being positive about the team, I would get very concerned. Aren't most posters on the Canucks HFBoard just closet Coilers, Lames and Laffs fans? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Nice piece from Botchford on the Jašek saga, with direct quotes from Benning, Walsh (agent), and Jašek himself confirming much of what we already knew (at least if you’re a regular reader of this thread) about Jašek’s journey: http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-jasek I’ll quote the whole article in a minute here. Well worth the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Here’s the full article: Sometimes a team can make the right draft pick and it can still go wrong. That’s how it felt for the Canucks and Lukas Jasek too. The entry-level contract the Canucks signed him to this week is a beginning for Jasek in his pursuit of an NHL career. For those betting against him, good luck to you. Because the contract is also an ending, a finish line of sorts for a 20-year-old who wanted nothing more than a shot to play in North America. But for two seasons, after he was a sixth round pick at the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, he wasn’t even getting a shot to play. Not many games, not many minutes and not a snifter of special teams for the top rung of the Czech club team he was on. Instead, Jasek was stuck in a prospect’s version of the netherworld, locked to a Czech club which showed zero interest in his development or best interests. It took patience, backbone, drive and ultimately talent for him to get his way out of it. Jasek arrived in Utica on an amateur tryout at the end of March, giving him his first chance to play in a North American league. If he had his way, he would have arrived here years ago. “It was very hard and very frustrating for him,” said Allan Walsh, the player agent who Jasek switched to at the end of the 2016-17 season. “When he asked us what was best for his development, I told him unquestionably the better place for his development from the day he was drafted would have been in North America. “It’s something he believed in himself as well. He just kept saying: “I don’t understand why I’m in this situation. I’ve wanted to play in North America since I was drafted and I’ve sort of been forced to play here.’ “That right there is a testament to his ability to deal with adversity.” Jasek is a player. The Canucks needed all of six games to be convinced. Jasek put up seven points in those six, including two game-winning goals and some really good five-on-five play. He then started the playoffs on the Comets top line after signing his NHL contract. If you haven’t heard by now, more heralded prospects and much higher draft picks, Jonathan Dahlen and Kole Lind were scratched to start Utica’s post-season. “What really makes this compelling,” Walsh said. “Is how much (the Vancouver organization) fell in love with this kid from a character and work ethic perspective. “And how quickly he elevated himself in their eyes to being a potential NHL prospect. “That really is the story.” There were pundits who loved the Jasek from pick the moment the Canucks announced it in 2015. Canucks Army, the local hockey blog which has sent several contributors on to NHL jobs and shines brightest when analyzing prospects, gushed about Jasek for months after the draft. He was 17 years old and playing pro hockey in the top tier of Czech hockey. And he can skate. Actually, he can fly. Asked to compare his speed, the first name which came to Vancouver GM Jim Benning’s mind was Michael Grabner. He’s, uhm, fast. But in his draft-plus-one season, Jasek was a bit part on his Czech team, which played him sparingly on its elite team while shuttling him back and forth regularly with their junior squad. For reference, this is not in the handbook of how to best develop teenagers into NHL regulars. “They have club teams there,” Benning said. “You grow up being a member of these programs and you’re at their mercy. You might dress but you don’t play a whole lot for the elite team while they could have you play 20 minutes a night for their junior team. “You see that a lot in the Czech Republic. We had talked to him, and were trying to get him to play major junior in Canada but we couldn’t get him released from his contract to do that. “We were concerned. When these kids are 18. 19 and not playing, they don’t get a chance to develop as players. “But this year, he got his confidence, starting making plays and his development took off.” He did, but it wasn’t easy. “He reached out to us at the end of (the 2016-17) season,” Walsh said. “He said ‘Listen, I’m locked into this contract. I don’t have an out to play major junior. I don’t know why this was thrust on me. “‘I want out of here. It’s my dream to play in North America.’” What Jasek was advised to do was focus on was having the best year he could, while hoping Utica was still in it when his Czech season was over so the Canucks could see what he was all about. “Under the Czech-NHL transfer agreement, if any player drafted signs an NHL contract, their Czech deal is terminated,” Walsh said. “But up till now, and understandably so, Vancouver didn’t have enough information or coverage before he came to Utica to offer him an NHL contract. “This how it got brokered. When a player is signed from Europe where the country is a party to the IIHF transfer agreement, and Czech Republic is one of them, the (club team) gets $240,000 in transfer fees from the NHL. “What we said to Liberec (Jasek’s club team) was that it was in their best interest to let him go right away since the season was over on an ATO. “Get him to Utica, let him play games so he could earn himself a contract and they could get the transfer fees which is what they really wanted. “It was potentially win-win for everyone.” It remains to be seen whether Jasek can become an NHL regular. But just the fact he’s in the organization playing already feels like a win. Edited April 22, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Thanks Sid..LOVE hearing about this kid's speed. I visualize a future Canucks team with 5 or 6 guys that can flat-out, fly. Speed's so dangerous when it's sprinkled throughout a lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Thanks Sid..LOVE hearing about this kid's speed. I visualize a future Canucks team with 5 or 6 guys that can flat-out, fly. Speed's so dangerous when it's sprinkled throughout a lineup. Yup. Grabner is a heck of a comparable for a skater, especially when it’s coming out of JB’s mouth. Also just loved this part: “He reached out to us at the end of (the 2016-17) season,” Walsh said. “He said ‘Listen, I’m locked into this contract. I don’t have an out to play major junior. I don’t know why this was thrust on me. “‘I want out of here. It’s my dream to play in North America.’” I knew Jašek really wanted to be here and that Trinec was holding him back, but that “I want out of here” quote is pretty strong. Obviously he couldn’t fully speak his mind until the contract finally came through and he was fully free of the Czech system. But man, those have got to have been some tough years for Jašek. Basically a slave to a contract he didn’t want any more and just watching helplessly as better development options (like major junior) passed him by. Credit to Jašek for staying strong and focused and when his chance finally came, rising to the occasion and willing himself to an ELC on the quality of his play during this AHL tryout. One thing that sucks, if the Czechs run things like the Swedes do, that $240K transfer fee will get split between Liberec and Trinec. I’d much prefer that Trinec didn’t see a cent of that money given what they put this kid through. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Yup. Grabner is a heck of a comparable for a skater, especially when it’s coming out of JB’s mouth. Also just loved this part: “He reached out to us at the end of (the 2016-17) season,” Walsh said. “He said ‘Listen, I’m locked into this contract. I don’t have an out to play major junior. I don’t know why this was thrust on me. “‘I want out of here. It’s my dream to play in North America.’” I knew Jašek really wanted to be here and that Trinec was holding him back, but that “I want out of here” quote is pretty strong. Obviously he couldn’t fully speak his mind until the contract finally came through and he was fully free of the Czech system. But man, those have got to have been some tough years for Jašek. Basically a slave to a contract he didn’t want any more and just watching helplessly as better development options (like major junior) passed him by. Credit to Jašek for staying strong and focused and when his chance finally came, rising to the occasion and willing himself to an ELC on the quality of his play during this AHL tryout. One thing that sucks, if the Czechs run things like the Swedes do, that $240K transfer fee will get split between Liberec and Trinec. I’d much prefer that Trinec didn’t see a cent of that money given what they put this kid through. The Grabner comparison made me excited. I loved Grabner, and really wished we didn't trade him. I don't know what they were thinking with that one. Every time I watched Grabner he was not only fast, and a scoring threat with a good shot, he made all the good subtle defensive plays...always being on the right side of the puck and not being a liability. If Jasek can be the next Grabner, sign me up! No pressure eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Jašek’s agent, Allan Walsh, with a comparable I haven’t heard before: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead80 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Jašek’s agent, Allan Walsh, with a comparable I haven’t heard before: I’d take Havlat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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