Lukas Jasek | RW

[Warhippy]

11 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Yeah probably.

 

One poster over there is pushing a story that Benning has tried and failed several times over the past year to get a contract done on Jašek and Liberec has blocked him at every move.

 

This doesn’t really add up (at least from what I know).

 

Most likely, they’re conflating Liberec with Trinec (who were pretty uncooperative with Vancouver and Jašek when it came to him pursuing options over here).

 

But Trinec was the club that pretty much “owned” Jašek since he was a young kid, and had him under a junior contact from well before he was drafted. So it’s quite likely that his deal with them didn’t include a termination clause. His deal with Liberec was signed as a free agent (as far as his status in the Czech league) and while he was under the NHL Draft rights of the Canucks. I’d expect both Vancouver and Jašek made sure he had a out clause in his new deal.

 

So I’m pretty suspicious of the information being pushed over at HFBoards (when it comes to Jašek).

 

But it does fit into the whole “Dim Jim” narrative that the dominant group on HFCanucks seems to be enamoured with.

 

I suspect that these HF posters have just cobbled together some bits and pieces from various facts and opinions, plus a whole lot of speculation and fiction, and created a story to get people worried that Jašek might not get signed and that our “inept” GM is somehow botching the situation.

 

Personally, I think it’s a just matter of when, and not if, JB signs Jašek an ELC.

 

And I don’t think there’s going to be much (if any) issues getting him out of that Czech contract.

The sad thing is, I was kidding.

 

Then I went over and perused some of the comments about it and yes.  They firmly believe that Liberec has Benning over a barrel because obviously Jasek is going to be a solid 3rd line player but Benning gets no credit for drafting him as even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time and once a contract is signed it will be a huge over payment

 

It's actually really sad reading how these people try to find fault with everything they do

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

31 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The sad thing is, I was kidding.

 

Then I went over and perused some of the comments about it and yes.  They firmly believe that Liberec has Benning over a barrel because obviously Jasek is going to be a solid 3rd line player but Benning gets no credit for drafting him as even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time and once a contract is signed it will be a huge over payment

 

It's actually really sad reading how these people try to find fault with everything they do

Yeah, I knew you were kidding.

 

But those HF posters seem dead serious (even if some of their assertions are pretty laughable).

 

Maybe a bit OT, but I hate the way the fanbase is so polarized. Either blind hate or blind love for Benning seems to represent huge blocks of Canucks fans (present company excluded).

 

Neither group is correct IMO.

 

Benning has made mistakes. But for the most part, he seems to learn from them pretty quickly. He’s a much better GM today than he was the day he took over. People on the “anti” side take one or two blunders from early on (CBA issues or poor roster moves) and colour their entire view of the administration with those mistakes. Many people on the “pro” side seem to go with an uncritical “in JB we trust” approach and refuse to even consider that Benning might have some weaknesses or actially made some mistakes during his tenure here.

 

I find it difficult to have fruitful discussions with either camp. They’re just so far away from where I’m at and so hardened in their positions.

 

But back to Jašek.

 

As evidenced in this thread, I’ve followed Jašek pretty closely over the years since he was drafted. And I can say with some confidence that the speculation on HFBoards really doesn’t fit with what I know about this player and his situation.

 

Jašek was a Benning pick and one of the gems he unearthed (obviously with help and input from his staff) from his scouting trips to tournaments.

 

Jašek really wants to play North American hockey. If it had been up to Jašek, he’d have gone into the CHL import draft and played in North America. And he’d have attended every training camp and tournament the Canucks held since he was drafted. However, Trinec management blocked him wherever they could.

 

But from what I can gather, there really shouldn’t be much of an issue getting him under contact. The documents I’ve read suggest it’s highly likely he has a termination clause (required by his draft team). And given his history with Trinec, even if Vancouver didn’t demand the termination clause, it seems pretty likely that Jašek would have.

 

Plus, even if he’s somehow still contractually bound to Liberec, it’s not like contacts can’t be worked around. 

 

So nothing to worry about.

 

He’ll get his ELC whenever Benning decides he wants to sign Jašek. And he’ll play over here (full time) whenever the Canucks decide they want him to.

 

Vancouver fans should just enjoy the ride right now as he’s having quite a run to start his North American career. And hopefully he’ll continue his trajectory and become a contributing player on the future Canucks team.

[Boudrias]

Jasek has had a really nice start. Sid mentioned during the season that he has had cool spots on his ppg and yet that really has not come into play in Utica. Fingers crossed that the Comets can have a nice Calder run. The experience for all the prospects would be a real development bonus. 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

I don’t know this guy but I like what he’s saying. Apparently he’s a “scout” for DobberHockey. I’m not sure what that entails. I suspect that if I really wanted to, I could also become a “scout” for Dobber but maybe I’m underappreciating the quality of their staff. Anyway, I hope he’s right. Would love to see Jašek signed this summer and competing for a spot at next year’s camp.

[Derp...]

News flash Canucks have been trying to get Jasek under contract for 2 years. 

 

He's still under contract with Liberec though. 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, Derp... said:

 

News flash Canucks have been trying to get Jasek under contract for 2 years. 

 

Source?

 

Just not sure how he wouldn’t be signed already if the Canucks has been trying to get him under contract for 2 years?

 

Here’s part of an article by Ryan Lake, a sports lawyer:

 

While the NHL club would retain the exclusive rights for that player in the NHL, the player may still be able to play for an IIHF member league. Often, players who are drafted by NHL clubs are not ready to compete at the NHL level. Therefore, it is common for NHL clubs to allow their players to play for a club in an IIHF member league. Thus, the drafting NHL club could allow the player to develop his skills while playing for an IIHF member league. However, if this were to occur, the NHL club would require that the player contract between the player and an IIHF club would include a termination clause. This termination clause would come into effect if the player and the NHL club agree to a player contract.21

 

Extraliga is an IIHF member league. Jašek’s current contract was signed while he was a draft property of the Vancouver Canucks. It seems highly likely, from information in the above quote, that his current deal includes a termination clause.

 

And here’s a link to the credentials of the guy I’m quoting: 

https://www.lawinsport.com/item/ryan-lake-2

 

And some of the highlights:

Ryan is an American attorney at Lake Law Group, LLC and a sports consultant at Beyond the Playbook. He works extensively on ice hockey, soccer, baseball, basketball and Olympic movement issues. Ryan is also an Adjunct Professor at St. John’s University School of Law.

Ryan works on a variety of issues including player market analysis, contract negotiations, advanced statistics, salary arbitrations, operating and governing policies, SafeSport matters, athlete disputes and athlete selection procedures. Ryan also works closely with agents representing athletes in ice hockey, soccer, baseball, and basketball.

 

Seems like a guy who probably knows what he’s talking about.

 

Plus, even if Jašek didn’t have a termination clause, there’s still a mechanism in place for transfers on drafted players who are under contract with European teams. Here’s an article on Zacha for example:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thescore.com/news/798267/amp

 

As shown in the article, there’s a window where players under an Extraliga contract can still move to their draft team on a free transfer when they get signed. This window can also get extended by paying an additional transfer fee.

 

And I believe a termination clause would supersede those transfer windows, but even if not, there’s clearly an agreement in place for transferring a player under contract in Extraliga to the NHL club holding his exclusive rights.

 

Plus, Jašek literally had his contract end (with Trinec) and then he signed with a new team (Liberec). Even if there wasn’t a transfer agreement and process in place, there would have been a window (while he was between contracts) for the Canucks to have offered him an ELC (if they were so inclined—and if they’d been trying for the past two years, you’d think they’d have made an attempt to sign him when he wasn’t under contract anywhere).

 

Also, as far as transfer fees go, they are set as part of the transfer agreement. Only leagues not currently under a transfer agreement (currently the KHL and NLA if I’m not mistaken) would require individual negotiations to free up a player from a contract.

 

So basically, the only thing that could really prevent the Canucks for two years from signing Jašek would be if the player continually refused to sign a bona fide offer of an ELC. 

 

From what we know, Jašek has wanted to come over to North America for a while. But Trinec blocked him from the import draft and limited his participation in Canucks camps and tournaments.

 

“I wanted to play in the CHL,” Jasek told Canucks Army. “The Canucks wanted (that) also, to watch (me) play there”. “I still have contractual obligations to HC Trinec for another season” Jasek continued “of course, I tried to persuade my general manager to allow (my participation in the Import Draft) but without success”.

 

Now Jašek is with Utica on a tryout.

 

Call me crazy, but he seems like a kid who would jump at the chance to sign an NHL ELC.

 

So why no contract?

 

I really can’t believe it’s because the Canucks have tried and failed for two years to get a deal done. Just makes no sense to me. The level of ineptitude required would be mind boggling.

 

I believe it’s as simple as that the Canucks didn’t feel Jašek was ready or had earned an ELC. And until recently, they’d have been right. They tried to get him into the CHL to help his development, but they couldn’t make it work. They still owned four years of draft rights, so they left him to develop in the Czech system. He’s over here now and so far has looked really good in the AHL. Probably good enough to already be seriously considered for a deal. Hopefully Jašek will leave no doubt by the end of the Calder Cup playoffs. And I’d expect the Canucks to then sign him this summer (and have little difficulty doing so).

 

Unless I’m missing something?

 

If there’s some reason both Trinec and Liberec have been able to thwart Vancouver for two years and prevent them from signing their own draft property, I’d really like to know what it is?

 

Don’t mean to overreact here. I’ve just seen this rumour a few times on various forums and haven’t really seen anything credible to back it up.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

I don’t know what happened above but the quote tags are all messed up and the post just ate one of my quotes. 

 

Anyway, the following quote should have been included:

 

“I wanted to play in the CHL,” Jasek told Canucks Army. “The Canucks wanted (that) also, to watch (me) play there”. “I still have contractual obligations to HC Trinec for another season” Jasek continued “of course, I tried to persuade my general manager to allow (my participation in the Import Draft) but without success”.

[Alexandre]

Heard on AM 650 On Point with Randip Janda and Perry Solkowski that the Canucks have signed Jasek to a 3 year ELC.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-sign-forward-lukas-jasek-entry-level-contract/

Edited April 20, 2018 by Alexandre

[richado]

HFBoards must be in anarchy 

[Alexandre]

Haha HFboards. I like to go there mostly for entertainment and a bit of insight.

[Whorvat]

But I thought this was impossible HF...

[aGENT]

23 minutes ago, Alexandre said:

Heard on AM 650 On Point with Randip Janda and Perry Solkowski that the Canucks have signed Jasek to a 3 year ELC.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-sign-forward-lukas-jasek-entry-level-contract/

 

Confirmed and glad to hear  

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by aGENT

[Attila Umbrus]

HF...hockey fools. Can't stand that site. Full of know it alls. Glad the masses there were once again wrong. Problem is now they just move onto the next subject to crap on and start denying anything they ever said or that it wasn't what they meant and it was taken out of context... Never ends lol.

[Rush17]

On 4/17/2018 at 11:04 PM, Derp... said:

News flash Canucks have been trying to get Jasek under contract for 2 years. 

 

He's still under contract with Liberec though. 

not no more baby!

[Noble 6]

 

Really happy to hear. I was pushing for us to sign him last year to get him over to North America. He's wanted to come over for a while and now he has a chance to prove he can play in the NHL.

 

Hey @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME, look!

[JM_]

On 2018-04-18 at 12:41 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I don’t know what happened above but the quote tags are all messed up and the post just ate one of my quotes. 

 

Anyway, the following quote should have been included:

 

“I wanted to play in the CHL,” Jasek told Canucks Army. “The Canucks wanted (that) also, to watch (me) play there”. “I still have contractual obligations to HC Trinec for another season” Jasek continued “of course, I tried to persuade my general manager to allow (my participation in the Import Draft) but without success”.

that GM must be a real peach. Where would you see Jasek fitting in eventually in the NHL? 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

that GM must be a real peach. Where would you see Jasek fitting in eventually in the NHL? 

I’ve think I’ve always said third liner. No reason to change that opinion. Two-way, speed and energy guy, with the skills to make good plays, maybe some 2nd unit PP, and hopefully some PK (he’s still working on that part but I think he could become a great penalty killer).

 

EDIT: re: the Trinec GM, it was really strange at the time. You had a kid that wanted to play CHL. I’m sure it happens but I’ve just never heard of another team saying “sorry kid but you can’t leave.” And then, to add insult to injury, they played him sporadically and like 5-7 minutes a game with zero opportunities. 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

[JamesB]

1 hour ago, Alexandre said:

Heard on AM 650 On Point with Randip Janda and Perry Solkowski that the Canucks have signed Jasek to a 3 year ELC.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-sign-forward-lukas-jasek-entry-level-contract/

 

Congrats to Alexandre on getting breaking the news in the Jasek thread. Appreciate the heads up. Good news after the disappointing OT loss for TPS Turku today.

 

But not exactly a surprise. Jasek has earned a contract. I expect he will be in Utica next year where he could one of the stars on a very good team.

 

I don't know how many times I have seen someone say that a prospect could be "like Hansen" or "like Burrows" -- guys who came out of nowhere to be very good NHL players. I try to avoid it and most times it turns out to be way off the mark.

 

But Jasek does have some similarities to Hansen and is close enough to the NHL that he might have a shot. It is still a lot less than 50-50 that reaches Hansen's level but, like Hansen, he has excellent speed, is willing to drive the net, works very hard at both ends of the ice and can potentially kill penalties. He is the same height as Hansen but needs to add some weight and strength if he is going to contribute to physical game at the level of Hansen, And both good shoot R.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

So a little support for the research I’d done on the contractual issues (and how there really wasn’t an issue):

 

 

Guy’s a freelancer but he’s written for IIHF.com.