RIP Scott Weiland

[TOMapleLaughs]

He lived the rock and roll lifestyle.  He died the rock and roll lifestyle.

Keep on rockin' in the next world, brother.

RIP

[TOMapleLaughs]

STP always had an interesting sound.  Always wondered how they achieved it, but I believe it's a layering of tracks, and they did a remarkable job of it.  Weiland's voice and presence fit perfectly with it, and you can understand why they went with him despite his personal failings.  

[Toni Zamboni]

Scott sort of reminded me a little bit of Eddie Vedder...maybe it was his mannerisms while performing or something.

definitely another one taken to soon.

[The Bookie]

10 hours ago, GLASSJAW said:

Jesus, you went there. My post was far more cynical before I felt bad about offending the grunge-lovers of CDC

I have a very difficult time holding on to the music I loved as a young-young kid. Even Nirvana I find boring as hell 350 days of the year (the other days I totally love them). Not because I think they're bad. I think they're great! I just have a difficult time listening to the same songs I've heard 50,000 times before and having an emotional reaction to them. Interstate Love Song is one of those songs. I think it's a good-ass rock tune, but I never need to hear it again, and I doubt I'll have the desire to, either

STP has not aged well IMO. I tried to listen to their music again about a year ago after I heard an interview with Weiland (he sounded dishonest and slightly delusional, to the point where it made me want to re-visit his work out of morbid curiosity), but I just feel like Creed and all those "lame" bands in the post-post-grunge area, with those crunchy power chords and that throat-y vocal style passed down from Pearl Jam and co., have sealed STP's fate as just being a typical 90s band in an ugly lineage of derivative-ness (is that a word?). They're buried in a small coffin with, like, Bush X or whatever. 

Nirvana rises above that, for me anyway. Probably circumstance - 3 albums, the two bookends recorded, oppositely, under unusual live raw circumstances. I can still listen to Bleach and In Utero so many times later and catch new flavors under the surface. And in between a legit album-of-a-generation pop classic, meticulously recorded. To this day you could play individual instrument tracks for people who were coming of age at that time and they could name them.

Most of the rest from the era, yeah, hasn't aged well, aside from individual songs.

2 hours ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

STP always had an interesting sound.  Always wondered how they achieved it, but I believe it's a layering of tracks, and they did a remarkable job of it.  Weiland's voice and presence fit perfectly with it, and you can understand why they went with him despite his personal failings.  

Yeah layering from what I remember. I think that was the DeLeo brothers. Some of those tracks had like, 15-20 different guitar and bass layers.

[AV.]

Weiland was legit.  Love most of STP's stuff that I've heard but Sour Girl off Number 4 will always be my favourite.  Lyrically, so underrated I always thought.

RIP

[D-Money]

12 hours ago, GLASSJAW said:

Jesus, you went there. My post was far more cynical before I felt bad about offending the grunge-lovers of CDC

I have a very difficult time holding on to the music I loved as a young-young kid. Even Nirvana I find boring as hell 350 days of the year (the other days I totally love them). Not because I think they're bad. I think they're great! I just have a difficult time listening to the same songs I've heard 50,000 times before and having an emotional reaction to them. Interstate Love Song is one of those songs. I think it's a good-ass rock tune, but I never need to hear it again, and I doubt I'll have the desire to, either

STP has not aged well IMO. I tried to listen to their music again about a year ago after I heard an interview with Weiland (he sounded dishonest and slightly delusional, to the point where it made me want to re-visit his work out of morbid curiosity), but I just feel like Creed and all those "lame" bands in the post-post-grunge area, with those crunchy power chords and that throat-y vocal style passed down from Pearl Jam and co., have sealed STP's fate as just being a typical 90s band in an ugly lineage of derivative-ness (is that a word?). They're buried in a small coffin with, like, Bush X or whatever. 

I feel very much the same way.

Loved STP, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam back in the day, but rarely do I get the urge to listen to any of it anymore. Although there is always a couple of obscure tracks that, when I stumble across them, I get surprised how much I still enjoy them. Often because stylistically, they are far off the grunge path. Also, I didn't necessarily play the crap out of them when I was younger.

For Scott Weiland, STP's Atlanta and his solo Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down (from 12 Bar Blues), would still get me going.

 

[Monty]

18 minutes ago, D-Money said:

I feel very much the same way.

Loved STP, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam back in the day, but rarely do I get the urge to listen to any of it anymore. Although there is always a couple of obscure tracks that, when I stumble across them, I get surprised how much I still enjoy them. Often because stylistically, they are far off the grunge path. Also, I didn't necessarily play the crap out of them when I was younger.

For Scott Weiland, STP's Atlanta and his solo Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down (from 12 Bar Blues), would still get me going.

 

Not very many of those bands can I listen to anymore. The first CD I purchased was Pearl Jam's "Ten". But I haven't been able to pick that up in a long, long time.

In fact, the only grunge era album I can still listen to is Vitalogy. All of the others? Hard pass.

[GLASSJAW]

22 minutes ago, D-Money said:

I feel very much the same way.

Loved STP, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam back in the day, but rarely do I get the urge to listen to any of it anymore. Although there is always a couple of obscure tracks that, when I stumble across them, I get surprised how much I still enjoy them. Often because stylistically, they are far off the grunge path. Also, I didn't necessarily play the crap out of them when I was younger.

For Scott Weiland, STP's Atlanta and his solo Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down (from 12 Bar Blues), would still get me going.

 

My mom and brother were big, big, big on Pearl Jam, so it seemed like my first act of musical defiance was to not like them. But now, as an adult, I hear some of their songs from time to time and like them. Not anything from Ten -- I am still sick of that. But like No Code and Yield. I think PJ holds up way, way better than the bands that came after them, and many of the ones who came before them, and you have genuine variety in their sound. Credit where it's due.

It's hard to imagine people praising Weiland so much - especially when it's kinda known that he didn't write the music, or didn't write many (any?) of the melodies most people are familiar with - he was who he was because of charisma, his voice, and a weird image. When I think of STP, I think of Interstate Love Song, and when I think of that song, I think of that insane melody, not Weiland's voice or words. But I guess it's all part of the same package. Billy Corgan just compared him to David Bowie and while I'm all for respecting the dead, not at the cost of disrespecting the living! Poor David Bowie - a man who not only oozes charisma, but composed, wrote, and performed timeless songs for decades, too.

[Mr.DirtyDangles]

I am stunned : (   one of my favorite tracks of theirs .

Rip

[riffraff]

Meh.

 

no tragedy.

 

another junky rock n roller.

 

there are many.

 

all his music was overrated and boring anyway.

 

sorry I just don't bleed for millionaire druggies who can't handle their own lives.

[riffraff]

4 hours ago, GLASSJAW said:

My mom and brother were big, big, big on Pearl Jam, so it seemed like my first act of musical defiance was to not like them. But now, as an adult, I hear some of their songs from time to time and like them. Not anything from Ten -- I am still sick of that. But like No Code and Yield. I think PJ holds up way, way better than the bands that came after them, and many of the ones who came before them, and you have genuine variety in their sound. Credit where it's due.

It's hard to imagine people praising Weiland so much - especially when it's kinda known that he didn't write the music, or didn't write many (any?) of the melodies most people are familiar with - he was who he was because of charisma, his voice, and a weird image. When I think of STP, I think of Interstate Love Song, and when I think of that song, I think of that insane melody, not Weiland's voice or words. But I guess it's all part of the same package. Billy Corgan just compared him to David Bowie and while I'm all for respecting the dead, not at the cost of disrespecting the living! Poor David Bowie - a man who not only oozes charisma, but composed, wrote, and performed timeless songs for decades, too.

Lol.  Nice one Billy.

[Industrious1]

Listened to quite a bit of STP back in the day, so its pretty sad (although unsurprising) to hear about Weiland's death.  I've always thought they had a pretty unique sound and Scott definitely had an instantly recognizable voice.

I leaned a bit more towards metal later on in my younger life but I am still nostalgic for some of the more progressive grunge bands and I think the rock world (such as it is) will miss Weiland as time goes by. 

[BanTSN]

 

[Grapefruits]

Can't say I'm surprised.  If anything I'm surprised he lived as long as he did.

 

RIP all the same I guess. After the crap he pulled in Abby in 2012, I gave up being a fan of Weiland.

[GLASSJAW]

6 minutes ago, Grapefruits said:

Can't say I'm surprised.  If anything I'm surprised he lived as long as he did.

 

RIP all the same I guess. After the crap he pulled in Abby in 2012, I gave up being a fan of Weiland.

what happened?

[Grapefruits]

Just now, GLASSJAW said:

what happened?

STP didn't take the stage till after 11pm.  Weiland looked out of it.  Played a short set. Wasn't very good at all.

[nuckin_futz]

Always had a soft spot for STP. They were nothing too special but were a pretty honest band. I liked that they could just flat out rock on tunes like "Crackerman" "Sex Type Thing". Could go in a pop direction "Interstate Love Song" "Big Bang Baby". Then almost jazz it up on stuff like "Sour Girl".

Weiland's voice was pretty versatile.

Sad he's gone, but the human body can only take so much abuse.

This was a very interesting/sobering read from his ex-wife. .......

Scott Weiland's Family: 'Don't Glorify This Tragedy'

A letter from late singer’s ex-wife, Mary Weiland, on behalf of his two children

 

By Mary Forsberg Weiland December 7, 2015

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207#ixzz3trr7j577

 

Mary Forsberg Weiland is the mother of the late singer Scott Weiland's teenage children, Noah, 15, and Lucy, 13. She wrote this with their help in the days after his death on Dec 3.

December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.

We don't want to downplay Scott's amazing talent, presence or his ability to light up any stage with brilliant electricity. So many people have been gracious enough to praise his gift. The music is here to stay. But at some point, someone needs to step up and point out that yes, this will happen again – because as a society we almost encourage it. We read awful show reviews, watch videos of artists falling down, unable to recall their lyrics streaming on a teleprompter just a few feet away. And then we click "add to cart" because what actually belongs in a hospital is now considered art.

Many of these artists have children. Children with tears in their eyes, experiencing panic because their cries go unheard. You might ask, "How were we to know? We read that he loved spending time with his children and that he'd been drug-free for years!" In reality, what you didn't want to acknowledge was a paranoid man who couldn't remember his own lyrics and who was only photographed with his children a handful of times in 15 years of fatherhood. I've always wanted to share more than anyone was comfortable with. When writing a book years ago, it pained me to sometimes gloss over so much grief and struggle, but I did what I thought was best for Noah and Lucy. I knew they would one day see and feel everything that I'd been trying to shield them from, and that they'd eventually be brave enough to say, "That mess was our father. We loved him, but a deep-rooted mix of love and disappointment made up the majority of our relationship with him."

Even after Scott and I split up, I spent countless hours trying to calm his paranoid fits, pushing him into the shower and filling him with coffee, just so that I could drop him into the audience at Noah's talent show, or Lucy's musical. Those short encounters were my attempts at giving the kids a feeling of normalcy with their dad. But anything longer would often turn into something scary and uncomfortable for them. Spending so many years immersed in Scott's multiple illnesses led to my own depression; at one point, I was misdiagnosed as bipolar. I feared the same would happen to the children. There were times that Child Protective Services did not allow him to to be alone with them.

When Scott did move on to another relationship, I hoped it would inspire him to grow. I had often encouraged him to date a "normal" girl, a woman who was also a mother, someone who had the energy that I no longer had to love him. Instead, when he remarried, the children were replaced. They were not invited to his wedding; child support checks often never arrived. Our once sweet Catholic boy refused to watch the kids participate in Christmas Eve plays because he was now an atheist. They have never set foot into his house, and they can't remember the last time they saw him on a Father's Day. I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes. If you do, please acknowledge them and their experience. Offer to accompany them to the father-daughter dance, or teach them to throw a football. Even the bravest girl or boy will refrain from asking for something like that; they may be ashamed, or not want to inconvenience you. Just offer – or even insist if you have to.

This is the final step in our long goodbye to Scott. Even though I felt we had no other choice, maybe we never should have let him go. Or maybe these last few years of separation were his parting gift to us – the only way he could think to soften what he knew would one day crush us deep into our souls. Over the last few years, I could hear his sadness and confusion when he'd call me late into the night, often crying about his inability to separate himself from negative people and bad choices. I won't say he can rest now, or that he's in a better place. He belongs with his children barbecuing in the backyard and waiting for a Notre Dame game to come on. We are angry and sad about this loss, but we are most devastated that he chose to give up.

Noah and Lucy never sought perfection from their dad. They just kept hoping for a little effort. If you're a parent not giving your best effort, all anyone asks is that you try just a little harder and don't give up. Progress, not perfection, is what your children are praying for. Our hope for Scott has died, but there is still hope for others. Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it. Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it – use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream.

 

 

 

[aGENT]

Well that's umm... enlightening.

Good for her though.

[GLASSJAW]

1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said:

December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.

We don't want to downplay Scott's amazing talent, presence or his ability to light up any stage with brilliant electricity. So many people have been gracious enough to praise his gift. The music is here to stay. But at some point, someone needs to step up and point out that yes, this will happen again – because as a society we almost encourage it. We read awful show reviews, watch videos of artists falling down, unable to recall their lyrics streaming on a teleprompter just a few feet away. And then we click "add to cart" because what actually belongs in a hospital is now considered art.

 

 

 

these two paragraphs are better than anything Weiland ever wrote

[D-Money]

16 hours ago, GLASSJAW said:

these two paragraphs are better than anything Weiland ever wrote

What do you mean? That can't compete with such lyrical masterpieces as:

When the dogs begin to smell her
Will she smell alone?

I am smelling like a rose that somebody gave me on my birthday death bed.

I am I am I said
I'm not myself, but I'm not dead
and I'm not for sale
So keep your bankroll lottery
eat your salad day
deathbed motorcade

...Weiland had a good voice, and a fantastic stage presence. But he was definitely NOT an exceptional songwriter.

I'd put him in the same boat as Anthony Kedis. I liked STP a lot more than RHCP when I was younger, and I'm not a big fan of either today - but there are a few RHCP songs that I think to this day, are awesome (Breaking The Girl especially). Whereas the STP songs I still like I don't feel too strongly about.