Gaudette Celly Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Sorry, I'm just not as high on Gaunce as everyone else seems to be. If he could learn to become a face puncher, with more grit, I could see him as a Prust/Dorset player. Otherwise I just don't think he's a skill guy. Whether he's on the team or not is not really an issue with me. I like the guy. I just think he needs to be either quicker, or tougher to be an effective player. Still have yet to watch a single game, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Whether he's on the team or not is not really an issue with me. I like the guy. I just think he needs to be either quicker, or tougher to be an effective player. There's more to the game than speed and toughness you know. There's far more to this game than that. That being said, have you not been seeing how much faster his stride is compared with last year? He's working on it. He's getting stronger and It's apparent. He doesn't need to fit into some random "mold" of toughness or speed to make it. He just needs to find a niche on the team and continue, and perhaps even elevate, his compete level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 There's more to the game than speed and toughness you know. There's far more to this game than that. That being said, have you not been seeing how much faster his stride is compared with last year? He's working on it. He's getting stronger and It's apparent. He doesn't need to fit into some random "mold" of toughness or speed to make it. He just needs to find a niche on the team and continue, and perhaps even elevate, his compete level. I don't think I said he needs to get faster. I believe I said quicker. He's got slow feet, and needs to improve that if he wants to be a top nine guy. If he can't, then he needs to be a physical presence. He's very bright, and adjusted to sing exceptionally well. I see no reason why he can't become a face puncher type energy guy, who can score a bit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchy the Tiger Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Alf ,please !!- Your dribble is killing me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I don't think I said he needs to get faster. I believe I said quicker. He's got slow feet, and needs to improve that if he wants to be a top nine guy. If he can't, then he needs to be a physical presence. He's very bright, and adjusted to sing exceptionally well. I see no reason why he can't become a face puncher type energy guy, who can score a bit too. lol what.. You make it sound like Gaunce has 0 potential. He is already a 0.5 ppg player in the AHL at 21 years old. And I have my bets you are going to eat your shoes in regards to Gaunce in 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 lol what.. You make it sound like Gaunce has 0 potential. He is already a 0.5 ppg player in the AHL at 21 years old. And I have my bets you are going to eat your shoes in regards to Gaunce in 2-3 years. Faster than 2 - 3 years IMO. I expect to see his first NHL game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 At least he's more reliable then Kassian. That's really not an accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 My money is on Gaunce being the first forward called up this year when the injuries hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I don't think I said he needs to get faster. I believe I said quicker. He's got slow feet, and needs to improve that if he wants to be a top nine guy. If he can't, then he needs to be a physical presence. He's very bright, and adjusted to sing exceptionally well. I see no reason why he can't become a face puncher type energy guy, who can score a bit too. What's the difference? Edited October 8, 2015 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 What's the difference and how does this your post change things exactly? He's fast enough, but he's not quick enough. That's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He's fast enough, but he's not quick enough. That's the difference. Great, thanks for not answering my question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Great, thanks for not answering my question.... Your fault for responding to him in the first place lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Great, thanks for not answering my question.... I guess we are not connecting. My issue with Guance is he has slow feet. If I'm reading you right, you believe he's a fast skater, with which I don't disagree? If that does not answer your question I don't know what else to type. I like Guance, but believe he needs to lean out, and work on quick feet. How do you differ in opinion on his feet, and his speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I guess we are not connecting. My issue with Guance is he has slow feet. If I'm reading you right, you believe he's a fast skater, with which I don't disagree? If that does not answer your question I don't know what else to type. I like Guance, but believe he needs to lean out, and work on quick feet. How do you differ in opinion on his feet, and his speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I guess we are not connecting. My issue with Guance is he has slow feet. If I'm reading you right, you believe he's a fast skater, with which I don't disagree? If that does not answer your question I don't know what else to type. I like Guance, but believe he needs to lean out, and work on quick feet. How do you differ in opinion on his feet, and his speed? I said he's making improvements. Those improvements are noticable to the point where he will likely be a callup. I also stated that he doesn't necessarily "need" speed and doesn't necessarily need to be in a mold to find his niche. It's pretty apparent that you think speed and quickness are 2 different things. I asked you to explain why they are different. I don't see how my posts said otherwise (unless if you're worried about your own post count over actual like... reading....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Your fault for responding to him in the first place lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 you could also say faster feet. its semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uselessstats Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I said he's making improvements. Those improvements are noticable to the point where he will likely be a callup. I also stated that he doesn't necessarily "need" speed and doesn't necessarily need to be in a mold to find his niche. It's pretty apparent that you think speed and quickness are 2 different things. I asked you to explain why they are different. I don't see how my posts said otherwise (unless if you're worried about your own post count over actual like... reading....) Not my debate but I'll jump in with this. Speed is about open ice and top end velocity. Primarily useful in the neutral zone or on rush plays in the offensive zone. Gaunce is ok in this area, as he has time and space to get his legs moving. Quickness is about 'tight motion', stops and starts, agility, and moving from one spot in the offensive or defensive zone to another in a few steps. This is where a guy like Patrick Kane really stands out. Gaunce isn't overly quick in these situations as he has a bit of 'heavy feet', which isn't overly surprising given his size and frame. Few guys his size are overly 'quick'. Gaunce is looking like he'll be a regular NHLer fairly soon and probably even a very good bottom 6 forward who plays the PK, eats up hard minutes, and does all the little things well. He's got a great frame and is a very smart, cerebral player. He has improved his skating to the point where you can see him playing at the NHL pace (though he'll never be 'quick'). Personally I think he and Cassels could form 2/3 of a very solid third line some day, with Horvat, McCann, Virtanen, Boeser, and maybe Shinkaruk forming the nucleus of the top 6 in a few years. And that would be pretty good to have from just 4 drafts (2012-2015). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I said he's making improvements. Those improvements are noticable to the point where he will likely be a callup. I also stated that he doesn't necessarily "need" speed and doesn't necessarily need to be in a mold to find his niche. It's pretty apparent that you think speed and quickness are 2 different things. I asked you to explain why they are different. I don't see how my posts said otherwise (unless if you're worried about your own post count over actual like... reading....) Oh, I get it now. My apologies for the slowness on the uptake Yes I do see top end speed and acceleration as two different skills. I'm not a physics guy, so I differ proper explanation to those types. From my simple POV acceleration is the time it takes to get to top speed. Guance takes more time to get to his top speed than I like, which hurts him, especially getting to spots which are close to him. This (I see) making it harder for him to effect the play in those circumstances. This was similar to criticism of Horvat - fast enough, but not quick enough. Horvat leaned out and did specific exercises to maximize his natural abilities. I'm thinking Guance needs to lean out, and do similar exercise - if he's not already. Some athletes are just naturally quicker than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Oh, I get it now. My apologies for the slowness on the uptake Yes I do see top end speed and acceleration as two different skills. I'm not a physics guy, so I differ proper explanation to those types. From my simple POV acceleration is the time it takes to get to top speed. Guance takes more time to get to his top speed than I like, which hurts him, especially getting to spots which are close to him. This (I see) making it harder for him to effect the play in those circumstances. This was similar to criticism of Horvat - fast enough, but not quick enough. Horvat leaned out and did specific exercises to maximize his natural abilities. I'm thinking Guance needs to lean out, and do similar exercise - if he's not already. Some athletes are just naturally quicker than others. The game Gaunce plays doesn't call for the kinda of 'quickness' you speak of. He has phenomenal position from what I have seen. Being smart trumps being quick 9/10. Gaunce isn't a top 6, but he's a future 3rd, and a great one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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