snizzle_ Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Watching him play right now and I have to say he's not really impressing anyone. You can tell right away he's the youngest player on the ice. Very tentative out there; doesn't look like he wants to take any chances. I know everyone here wants him to play defence first, but that doesn't help with the kid's confidence. You can be great defensively but you should still look to create offence. He's more reading and seeing what happens instead of initiating and anticipating. Just what i'm seeing. It's his 4th pro game so I feel like he should feel comfortable and take some chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 yea but some crazies want him to play in the NHL when he is not even ready for the AHL, how the hell does that work? Is truly beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) I think he is definitely AHL ready, but not NHL ready at this stage. Keep him in Utica as long as possible, give him two games and if he looks good keep him for 9, if he dominates leave him up, otherwise send him back down to London. I am happy with Matthias, he is a good player. Hasn't played great but I can tell he is a solid player who will come around. People are too hard on Sbisa too. He was awful in Colorado, but if you take that one game off the record books he is +4, 2 points, 15 hits, 4 PIM in 8 games. Edited October 30, 2014 by canucklehead44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerAids Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We've been surprisingly healthy to start the season, atleast on F. I'm sure once a guy or two get banged up it will be a lot easier to slide Horvat into the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 yea but some crazies want him to play in the NHL when he is not even ready for the AHL, how the hell does that work? Is truly beyond me. And what are you basing this on exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Honestly, the only way I see horvat thriving in vancouver and therefore staying his full 9 or more is if he plays with good linemates. He will be a good player for us down the road but right now he needs to be surrounded with solid NHL pros with offensive capabilities. He needs confidence and wiggle room and he will get that if he plays with players than can create time and space for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Based off what? We haven't even seen him play. Can we wait until he gets his 9 games before proclaiming he's not good enough? based on watching him with the Comets. Right now, as far as being ready, I'd say he's behind Gaunce and Jensen and maybe Shink. I think he'll be better than all of them, eventually, but I don't believe he is as ready as many people think he is. I hope he makes me eat crow as I think he's probably staying around this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Until we see Horvat play with NHLers it's hard to say if he's ready or not. He's not going to be judged by how many points he puts up for the Comets. These games are just to get him up to speed physically. He'll be back up with the Canucks. That's when he needs to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerAids Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 based on watching him with the Comets. Right now, as far as being ready, I'd say he's behind Gaunce and Jensen and maybe Shink. I think he'll be better than all of them, eventually, but I don't believe he is as ready as many people think he is. I hope he makes me eat crow as I think he's probably staying around this season Maybe, but all 3 of those can move up and down to the big club with ease... Horvat is all or nothing, that's why there's even a conversation. Plus he's the only one of those players currently playing C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe, but all 3 of those can move up and down to the big club with ease... Horvat is all or nothing, that's why there's even a conversation. Plus he's the only one of those players currently playing C. I agree that Bo is in completely different circumstance, and I doubt he goes back to Jr before Christmas, if at all. It doesn't mean he's ready yet and if he stays I'm sure he'll be in and out of the lineup and sheltered to some degree. Of course he could come up and break out big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerAids Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree that Bo is in completely different circumstance, and I doubt he goes back to Jr before Christmas, if at all. It doesn't mean he's ready yet and if he stays I'm sure he'll be in and out of the lineup and sheltered to some degree. Of course he could come up and break out big time. Yup, it will be interesting to watch him. I think a year where he get 9 games in the NHL, a key role in the WJC, the balance of junior, and possibly a playoff run in the A would be great development. Keep him with the big team until Christmas, even if he's not playing every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Yup, it will be interesting to watch him. I think a year where he get 9 games in the NHL, a key role in the WJC, the balance of junior, and possibly a playoff run in the A would be great development. Keep him with the big team until Christmas, even if he's not playing every game. We have a hectic November which includes 14 games, 3 back to backs, 8 games in the first 15 days. You can bet we are probably going to rotate him out with a couple other bottom 6 players in order to keep some players fresh. Not to mention the potential injuries. Also I am thankful most of the teams we face on the road are out west, I couldn't imagine the travel if that wasn't the case. Edited October 30, 2014 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No points again. I can hear the "bust" chants starting to form on CDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I never watched any of the games so does anybody know if he played well enough to justify not getting points? And why didn't he get any points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Until we see Horvat play with NHLers it's hard to say if he's ready or not. He's not going to be judged by how many points he puts up for the Comets. These games are just to get him up to speed physically. He'll be back up with the Canucks. That's when he needs to prove himself.Exactly. Let him have his nine games before deciding if he is NHL ready or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I never watched any of the games so does anybody know if he played well enough to justify not getting points? And why didn't he get any points? he looked good to me, certainly not out of his league with the Comets. Coming off of injury, he looks like hes playing it safe, gaining confidence from playing a good defensive game. The offense will come eventually I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 yea but some crazies want him to play in the NHL when he is not even ready for the AHL, how the hell does that work? Is truly beyond me.I think Desjardins knows a lot more than you about who's nhl ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No points again. I can hear the "bust" chants starting to form on CDC I think this is going to be tough for ole Bo, jumping between leagues like this. His duffel bag will stay packed for half the year as it looks. At about game 9 when he starts to feel like he is getting into a groove.... whammo!! your in the NHL. Then when he finally starts to find his legs on NHL ice.... kablamo!!!! Off to Jrs. Then either back playing with men in the NHL or down to the Jrs in the middle of the season. I'm not going to judge this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 he doesn't get 9 ahl games, 6 max within his 2 week limit. the 9 games is in the nhl before we burn a year off his ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) I don't think this requires it's own thread, but I think this fits here: The TSN Hockey List: Nine CHLers who would be good AHL candidates Don Maloney said it. Surely, other GMs are thinking it. That is, wouldn’t it be good if NHL teams had the option to send their best teen prospects to the AHL rather than be required - under terms of the NHL-CHL agreement - to return them to the CHL until their major junior eligibility runs out. "We all understand top junior players are valuable assets for their junior Clubs,” Don Maloney told ESPN.com. “However, for any elite junior player who has played three full CHL seasons, the option to place the player in the AHL would be invaluable to us and a real benefit to the player’s development." Of course, the CHL would prefer the status quo remains because its main players, its main attractions, would play in the Quebec, Ontario and Western leagues as long as possible to drive revenues. It’s a reasonable perspective. After all, the CHL is producing a large percentage of players and the development model needs to be self-sustaining. “Any change - even on a restricted or limited basis - would be devastating to the CHL,” NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly told ESPN.com. “So, no, I don't see this changing in the near future.” The current agreement doesn’t expire until June, 2020 - and Daly said, "We actually surveyed the GMs before last year's CHL deal and it wasn't an overwhelming need” - so there’s no reason to believe any change is imminent. But should it be a one-size-fits-all system for CHLers? Consider this: Players not drafted from the CHL are now eligible to be sent to the AHL as teens. Is it time a similar option existed for exceptional major junior players. The answer is, yes, provided limitations are placed on such a system. Here’s our criteria for major junior-eligible players being sent to the AHL: 1. Players must have been selected in the first round of the NHL draft and have played three full seasons in the CHL. 2. Players must pass a tryout period – say 9 games in the AHL to mirror the NHL 9-game tryout period - to prove they have effectively outgrown the CHL. Here’s the logic: 1. Only NHL-rated elite players (e.g. first rounders) would be included to guard against a new system cutting too deeply into the CHL talent pool. 2. CHL teams should consider three full seasons fair return on their investments. Consider that NHL players are technically free agents after going through the three-year entry level system. If you can play in the NHL as a 19-year-old, why not the AHL? Now before you think that there are going to be 30 elite CHLers being sent to the AHL each year, let us tell you how many we think would be sent to the AHL this season if that criteria were followed: 9. And that number includes Sam Reinhart (Kootenay), who is expected to be sent back to their CHL teams, plus Bo Horvat (London) and Curtis Lazar (Edmonton), who may well remain with their NHL teams. That’s nine players – and it could be as few as seven - spread over 60 teams in three leagues. The others on the tsn.ca list of CHLers/AHLers are Darnell Nurse (SSM), Sam Morin (Rimouski), Max Domi (London), Josh Morrissey (Prince Albert), Shea Theodore (Seattle) and Nick Ritchie (Peterborough). By the way, Jonathan Drouin would go back to Halifax, not the AHL, because he has played 2-1/2 seasons, not three full seasons. So, under this system, some teams would suffer more than others: notably London, potentially losing two players to the AHL. But that’s to be expected when any change is made and, not to minimize the impact, but in time there would be a new normal and acceptance that that’s just the way it is and greater flexibility is generally for the greater good. And a final thought: Let’s not forget that some of these players have already had exposure to the AHL – most prominently Morrissey. The 2013-14 WHL defenceman of the year runner-up played eight regular season games and 20 in the 2014 AHL playoffs, where he shone with two goals and 9 points for the Calder Cup-finalist St. John’s IceCaps. It seems counter-intuitive the AHL isn’t an option for him this season. http://www.tsn.ca/talent/the-tsn-hockey-list-nine-chlers-who-would-be-good-ahl-candidates-1.119377 To help with the loss of top players/revenue, why not include a 'transfer' or 'buy-out' fee. I'm sure NHL clubs would be willing to throw cash at some of these junior clubs to help with their losses. And, from the junior side, the leagues could incorporate a 'competitive balance round' to their drafts, similar to the MLB. For every player you lose to the AHL, you receive a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round. Edited October 30, 2014 by Lonny_Bohonos_14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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