Canuck Surfer Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I like Vey on the 4th line because it gives our 4th line some offense. Matthias has been quiet, to be sure, but that's exactly the game Bo brings at this point in his development. If Bo's faceoffs aren't a strength, I'd rather see what he can do in the OHL like Cassels. See below. Thing is, Vey's offense would do better with higher quality line mates on higher lines IMO. And Bo brings better defense more appropriate to the role. Mathias hasn't been quiet, he's been inconsequential at best and plain bad at worse. Again, we'll see but I don't find it unreasonable to think Horvat could do better and improve quickly. Can we not keep Horvat on the roster and just press box Mathias for injuries? Danny / Hank / Vrbata Higgins / Bonino / Burrows Richardson / Horvat / Kassian Richardson and Horvat can alternate face off's based on which side of the dot. Dorsett / Vey / Hansen Mathias / Tostito Hamhuis / Bieksa Edler / Tanev Sbisa / Stanton Weber Corrado back to AHL. At very least for the 9 game trial? edit; swapping Kassian for Hansen, a bit of an undeserved slap to Kassian, also makes a bit of sense. Richardson / Horvat / Hansen would be a GREAT defensive line? Dorsett / Vey / Kassian Gives Kassian a offensive centreman, and has the look of a classic / nasty 4th line? Edited October 29, 2014 by Canuck Surfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm wondering if there are 2 seasons in 1? Early on, kids are lighting the lamp, unpredictable teams erupt, & the league wants butts in the seats. They call any cheesy transgression, to boost PP excitement & offence. As the season progresses, 12~15 teams seperate themselves from the wannabes. Then the league purports(thru various media flunkies) that players have "learned & adjusted" to the reffs inclinations..which is all just bullsh*t. They basically put the whistles away, mostly to prepare for PO mud-wrestling. At that point, sometimes guys with Matthias' size/speed will emerge, & pop a few key ones. It's hard to tell which guy it's going to be; yet after JB's exp with the Broons, he prob realizes the relative value of carrying a few large oafs, longer than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm wondering if there are 2 seasons in 1? Early on, kids are lighting the lamp, unpredictable teams erupt, & the league wants butts in the seats. They call any cheesy transgression, to boost PP excitement & offence. As the season progresses, 12~15 teams seperate themselves from the wannabes. Then the league purports(thru various media flunkies) that players have "learned & adjusted" to the reffs inclinations..which is all just bullsh*t. They basically put the whistles away, mostly to prepare for PO mud-wrestling. At that point, sometimes guys with Matthias' size/speed will emerge, & pop a few key ones. It's hard to tell which guy it's going to be; yet after JB's exp with the Broons, he prob realizes the relative value of carrying a few large oafs, longer than most. I certainly don't see the harm in Matthias sticking around if no one outplays him to take his roster spot way. I don't particularly agree with calling Matthias a large oaf though. He has size, but he doesn't seem to use it particularly well at all the vast majority of them time. There's the rare shift where he does, but we don't see it enough for that to be the asset that makes or breaks Matthias' spot in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 ^Yes, & I agree with your disagreement of what I'd firmy stated!..It was mostly poor vocabulary chosen out of convenience(a nice short word), attributable to my lazy, lacklustre typing skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) See below. Can we not keep Horvat on the roster and just press box Mathias for injuries? Danny / Hank / Vrbata Higgins / Bonino / Burrows Richardson / Horvat / Kassian Richardson and Horvat can alternate face off's based on which side of the dot. Dorsett / Vey / Hansen Mathias / Tostito Hamhuis / Bieksa Edler / Tanev Sbisa / Stanton Weber Corrado back to AHL. At very least for the 9 game trial? edit; swapping Kassian for Hansen, a bit of an undeserved slap to Kassian, also makes a bit of sense. Richardson / Horvat / Hansen would be a GREAT defensive line? Dorsett / Vey / Kassian Gives Kassian a offensive centreman, and has the look of a classic / nasty 4th line? For the 9 game trial period at least, we will make room for Bo to showcase what he got for sure. I'm not disputing that. We have to make room to give him a chance to make the team. Why depending on which side of the dot? They are both LHS and out of all our centermen, I wouldn't want Richardson alternating on draws. When his line is out for a faceoff, Richardson should take it because he's our best. I think we might see Bo at center on the 3rd line just to give him a shot, but I don't see him being better on faceoffs than Richardson to warrant staying there. I think Bo could alternate on the 4th line with Vey, depending on which side of the faceoff is on. Edited October 29, 2014 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Thing is, Vey's offense would do better with higher quality line mates on higher lines IMO. And Bo brings better defense more appropriate to the role. Mathias hasn't been quiet, he's been inconsequential at best and plain bad at worse. Again, we'll see but I don't find it unreasonable to think Horvat could do better and improve quickly.I disagree. Vey is still raw, it's his rookie season and he should be sheltered on the 4th line bringing offence with 2 relentless wingers. Hansen and Dorsett are puck hounders and bring something unique to Vey who is a more cerebral player, isn't a great skater but he has the smarts and skill to set his wingers up for goals. Having Matthias on the 3rd line gives us more depth on the other 4 lines. Richardson's line can take minutes against hard competition, it gives more opportunity for our 4th line to feast on 3rd pairings. Teams with injuries are sheltering their bottom-pairing defencemen if it is weak and that is where having a quality 4th line comes into play, Vey is developing this year and he'll get better teammates at times if injuries hit. Matthias gives us a sort of weaker 4th line if he is pushed down. I think Horvat fits on the 3rd line taking Richardson's spot, pushing Richardson to the wing. Matthias gets scratched, the 4th line stays the same. Edited October 29, 2014 by Plum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Am I the only person (of course I'm not, but it sounds more dramatic this way) who feels Matthias has been nothing short of completely useless so far this season? I don't see what some people seem to see in him aside from his size. He's speedy, but doesn't seem to really do anything with the speed. He's not good enough defensively to be a defensive specialist, he's not good enough offensively to play top six, he doesn't win draws... I just don't really see what he brings to the team, at all. I'm not saying that I expect Bo to steal his job. If Horvat doesn't show that he's more than slightly better than Matthias, I fully expect him to be returned to Jr. as it wouldn't make sense for him to stay up for the slightest of improvement to the lineup. In that case, I would be more than happy to see Horvat returned to the Knights for another season of development and playing in a leadership role. I'm just confused as to what Matthias' role is supposed to be on this team, I guess. you're not the only one: Ben Kuzma @benkuzma 57m57 minutes ago Shawn Matthias: "I would say it's my best game of the season because I've been pretty crappy the first eight games." #canucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 you're not the only one: Ben Kuzma @benkuzma 57m57 minutes ago Shawn Matthias: "I would say it's my best game of the season because I've been pretty crappy the first eight games." #canucks Well I'll be damned. He definitely had a good game though. Well, for a bit in the first he looked pretty bad, but after that he looked a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 At least he is honest and knows he is playing bad. Now time to see if he will start playing good the next few games before Horvat is back up on the team. If Matthias picks it up the next obvious guy to be scratched is Dorsett because of his previous relationship with Willie D. It will be easier to convince Dorsett to sit out a few games instead of Matthias if he starts playing better now after getting his first point of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stizz19 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 At least he is honest and knows he is playing bad. Now time to see if he will start playing good the next few games before Horvat is back up on the team. If Matthias picks it up the next obvious guy to be scratched is Dorsett because of his previous relationship with Willie D. It will be easier to convince Dorsett to sit out a few games instead of Matthias if he starts playing better now after getting his first point of the season. I've liked Dorsett so far, his tenacity is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I've liked Dorsett so far, his tenacity is second to none. Yeah don't mind him. He brings it every shift. Always energetic. But it just might be easier optically for him to sit out with Matthias being more skilled as well as Hansen. They both kill penalties and Horvat can also but Dorsett does not contribute as much on special teams which you have to do to play consistently in the lineup. Plus Matthias can play center or wing. While Dorsett only plays wing. The other option would be Hansen but he has more skill than Dorsett. This is the main reason people gloss over when discussing Sestio not being in the lineup. It is not only because of his skill level or skating but the fact he is not good enough defensively to kill penalties. When he was playing the most last year it was because he got some power play time as the net front presence and Torts liked the physical element he brought as an intimidator. Edited October 29, 2014 by Chip Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I disagree. Vey is still raw, it's his rookie season and he should be sheltered on the 4th line bringing offence with 2 relentless wingers. Hansen and Dorsett are puck hounders and bring something unique to Vey who is a more cerebral player, isn't a great skater but he has the smarts and skill to set his wingers up for goals. Having Matthias on the 3rd line gives us more depth on the other 4 lines. Richardson's line can take minutes against hard competition, it gives more opportunity for our 4th line to feast on 3rd pairings. Teams with injuries are sheltering their bottom-pairing defencemen if it is weak and that is where having a quality 4th line comes into play, Vey is developing this year and he'll get better teammates at times if injuries hit.Matthias gives us a sort of weaker 4th line if he is pushed down. I think Horvat fits on the 3rd line taking Richardson's spot, pushing Richardson to the wing. Matthias gets scratched, the 4th line stays the same. Matthias would be in the press box IMO. Sedin, Sedin, Vrbata Burrows, Bonino, Vey/Kassian Higgins, Richardson, Vey/Kassian Dorsett, Horvat, Hansen Now THAT is quality depth on all four lines IMO. Well I'll be damned. He definitely had a good game though. Well, for a bit in the first he looked pretty bad, but after that he looked a lot better. Yeah he finally showed up to play last night. More of that and Horvat may be sent back to London. But if that was just a flash that's only going to show up every 5-10 games... he'll soon be replacing Sestito's spot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah he finally showed up to play last night. More of that and Horvat may be sent back to London. But if that was just a flash that's only going to show up every 5-10 games... he'll soon be replacing Sestito's spot IMO. I guess it all depends on what Horvat shows in his games. Hansen has been playing better than he was to start the season, and I like Dorsettes game a lot, but I don't see it as impossible for Horvat to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup either. He's going to end up playing where he belongs, I trust management enough to make that decision. If the AHL conditioning stint, 9ish games in the NHL, and heading back to Jr. (as well as playing in the WJC) is how it ends up, I'd say that's a pretty good development path as he did get a pretty extended taste of the pro game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnipeshow91 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I think a better Idea would be to give him 5 or 6 games and if he shows he can play at this level, give him that roster spot. If he doesn't, send him to the OHL and make him earn another crack in the NHL. Give him the remaining 4 games to prove himself. Edited October 29, 2014 by TheSnipeshow91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 After his AHL conditioning stint play his 9 games, rotate in with other bottom 6 players, then loan him to Canada for the world juniors then make a decision on whether or not he should stay with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I guess it all depends on what Horvat shows in his games. Hansen has been playing better than he was to start the season, and I like Dorsettes game a lot, but I don't see it as impossible for Horvat to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup either. He's going to end up playing where he belongs, I trust management enough to make that decision. If the AHL conditioning stint, 9ish games in the NHL, and heading back to Jr. (as well as playing in the WJC) is how it ends up, I'd say that's a pretty good development path as he did get a pretty extended taste of the pro game. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I hope Bo makes it because we really need someone good on the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Anyone who thinks that Horvat, right now, is better than Mathias should probably take a break from the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Anyone who thinks that Horvat, right now, is better than Mathias should probably take a break from the sport. Perhaps we should give him his 9 games and find out. As of now Matthias is the odd man out unless he can consistently place like he did against CAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Anyone who thinks that Horvat, right now, is better than Mathias should probably take a break from the sport. I know I am a huge Horvat fan and I'm probably biased here, but how would you know? We haven't seen the kid play in a regular season game. If he outplays Matthias and is good in the dot, he might just push someone out of that bottom 6, and as of right now, all fingers point to Matthias. Unless Matthias can play how he did last night with consistency. He was awesome. Edited October 29, 2014 by Bo.Horvat53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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