Bo Horvat | #53 | C

[iinatcc]

2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Hope Bo can find a rhythm soon and start producing.  Kinda hard when he has already had 4 different RW with him and Pearson.  Hope someone clicks so Bo can develop some chemistry.

 

He has gone a little quiet the first 5 games offensively.

You would think Sven Baertschi would fit perfectly in their line

[Grape]

There's no reason Brock should have 6 points and Bo should have 1. It's just bounces going a certain way on goals.

 

If we were being fair and judging by play, they should both have around 3 points. Not at all worried about Bo. 

[higgyfan]

Bo always has a slow start.  Every season so far; regardless of who plays on his line. 

 

JB has stated that Baer needs to be in Utica, playing lots of games to overcome his 'hesitation' (lack of confidence) that he showed in preseason.  He only played 26 games last season and it will take awhile to regain his 'nerve' (after that dirty head shot he took-it's no wonder he 'hesitates').

 

 

[J-23]

Needs a Roussel or Baer on his line.

[J-23]

17 hours ago, -AJ- said:

It's kind of odd, because the team is doing really well, but yeah, Bo's not producing much. That said, when I'm watching him, he doesn't seem to really be off his game. I imagine it's just a case of the bounces not going his way.

He’s had a couple of good scoring chances, just can’t seem to hit the net. 

 

Also needs to move on from that toe drag. Rather see him shield the puck and take it to the net or shoot. Similar to this:

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by J-23

[Kanukfanatic]

18 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Hope Bo can find a rhythm soon and start producing.  Kinda hard when he has already had 4 different RW with him and Pearson.  Hope someone clicks so Bo can develop some chemistry.

 

He has gone a little quiet the first 5 games offensively.

Pearson and Bo have clicked.  Give it more than 5 games.

[Tre Mac]

I am giving him one more period to start producing more or I am going to start calling him Boo Horvat

[aGENT]

13 hours ago, Tre Mac said:

I am giving him one more period to start producing more or I am going to start calling him Boo Horvat

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					Corsi (EV)				Fenwick (EV)				PDO (EV)			Zone Starts (EV)
Rk	Player	Age	Pos	GP	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiSH%	oiSV%	PDO	oZS% ▼	dZS%	TOI/60	TOI(EV)	TK	GV	E+/-	SAtt.	Thru%
1	Brandon Sutter	30	C/RW	5	29	52	35.8	-19.1	18	37	32.7	-21.0	31.3	90.0	121.3	72.7	27.3	14:52	10:53	2	2	-0.1	10	90.0
2	Jake Virtanen	23	RW	5	32	41	43.8	-8.5	24	29	45.3	-5.0	15.4	100.0	115.4	69.4	30.6	11:33	11:32	2	0	0.0	7	42.9
3	Adam Gaudette	23	C	3	20	29	40.8	-10.3	13	21	38.2	-10.6	11.1	92.9	104.0	68.0	32.0	11:31	10:38	0	1		3	33.3
4	Jordie Benn	32	D	5	38	63	37.6	-18.0	26	44	37.1	-16.6	18.8	94.3	113.0	64.4	35.6	15:32	13:39	1	2	-0.1	4	50.0
5	Troy Stecher	25	D	5	44	56	44.0	-9.2	30	40	42.9	-8.8	25.0	93.8	118.8	63.8	36.2	13:42	13:13	1	1	-0.1	14	35.7
6	Josh Leivo	26	LW	5	51	50	50.5	-0.3	32	34	48.5	-1.0	20.0	91.7	111.7	63.4	36.6	15:51	12:52	2	4	0.1	18	33.3
7	Tyler Motte	24	C	1	14	7	66.7	34.7	11	5	68.8	40.6	0.0	100.0	100.0	62.5	37.5	16:10	14:58	1	0		2	50.0
8	Jay Beagle	34	RW/C	5	26	32	44.8	-6.9	21	23	47.7	-1.8	7.7	100.0	107.7	60.6	39.4	11:26	9:13	2	1	0.0	4	75.0
9	Alexander Edler	33	D	5	74	71	51.0	0.6	51	54	48.6	-1.1	8.6	87.2	95.8	60.0	40.0	25:10	18:14	1	3	0.0	27	40.7
10	Tim Schaller	29	LW	5	30	29	50.8	0.2	24	23	51.1	2.3	7.1	100.0	107.1	60.0	40.0	11:03	9:11	0	0	0.0	6	33.3
11	Tyler Myers	29	D	5	74	65	53.2	4.1	52	50	51.0	2.9	11.4	89.2	100.6	54.9	45.1	22:27	18:35	4	2	0.1	23	39.1
12	Micheal Ferland	27	LW	5	33	46	41.8	-11.3	22	29	43.1	-7.6	13.3	84.2	97.5	51.9	48.1	12:51	11:21	1	0	-0.1	5	60.0
13	Bo Horvat	24	C	5	72	52	58.1	11.1	47	36	56.6	11.0	9.1	84.6	93.7	45.8	54.2	19:04	15:24	1	4	0.1	15	33.3
14	Tanner Pearson	27	LW	5	44	49	47.3	-4.5	29	37	43.9	-7.1	13.0	82.8	95.8	43.8	56.3	17:03	12:59	4	3	0.1	20	80.0
15	Loui Eriksson	34	LW	1	8	8	50.0	-19.1	3	5	37.5	-33.2	0.0	80.0	80.0	40.0	60.0	13:12	10:53	0	0	-0.2	2	0.0
16	Elias Pettersson	21	C	5	66	51	56.4	8.4	45	39	53.6	6.5	20.0	85.2	105.2	38.2	61.8	18:01	13:57	3	3	-0.1	23	30.4
17	Chris Tanev	30	D	5	54	57	48.6	-2.9	33	36	47.8	-1.9	15.4	87.0	102.3	35.8	64.2	19:57	16:27	1	2	-0.2	7	42.9
18	Brock Boeser	22	RW	5	67	51	56.8	9.0	44	37	54.3	7.5	23.1	84.0	107.1	34.2	65.8	18:25	14:22	0	1	-0.2	23	52.2
19	Quinn Hughes	20	D	5	79	47	62.7	18.3	52	32	61.9	18.9	20.6	81.0	101.5	32.7	67.3	20:01	17:25	3	5	0.0	19	31.6
20	J.T. Miller	26	C	5	73	47	60.8	15.1	47	34	58.0	12.9	20.0	84.0	104.0	32.0	68.0	17:54	14:13	2	5	0.2	11	54.5

The somewhat curious zone starts might explain somewhat the slower than expected starts for Horvat, Pettersson and Boeser.

[higgyfan]

3 hours ago, aGENT said:

As per Sutter thread:

 

The somewhat curious zone starts might explain somewhat the slower than expected starts for Horvat, Pettersson and Boeser.

Really hard to make sense of those stats, but they are definitely intentional.  Looks like they're showcasing some players as well as some sort of plan for team building and outstanding play going forward.

 

I recall a Green interview a few days ago where he says (not in his words) that he wants all players on the team to be comfortable if they suddenly find themselves on the defensive end of the game.  As for the less offensively gifted guys, well, they must feel like they're back in Jrs.  Team is having fun.  Great team building.

 

Interesting to see that the top offensive players, other than Bo (who always has a slow start) are still putting up the points. 

 

One thing for sure, it must be a headache for the opposing coaches.

 

 

[Pure961089]

Can you imagine if Benning had tried to get Max Domi From Arizona when he was only scoring 9 goals a season..  What would it have cost? Probably a young under achieving player like Domi was, say Goldobin.  A trade for Max Domi would have solved the “who do we play Bo with?” Riddle.   Bo Horvat and Domi would have been the makings of a second line for many years.  Hindsight I guess.  

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

Can you imagine if Benning had tried to get Max Domi From Arizona when he was only scoring 9 goals a season..  What would it have cost? Probably a young under achieving player like Domi was, say Goldobin.  A trade for Max Domi would have solved the “who do we play Bo with?” Riddle.   Bo Horvat and Domi would have been the makings of a second line for many years.  Hindsight I guess.  

Domi cost the Habs Chucky.  Way more valuable player than Goldy.  

[Pure961089]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Domi cost the Habs Chucky.  Way more valuable player than Goldy.  

There was a deal there that could have been made.  Even if it took a little more than Goldy.  Goldy was like 21 and full of promise at the time.  Had way more trade value then than he does now.  

[ruilin96]

4 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

Can you imagine if Benning had tried to get Max Domi From Arizona when he was only scoring 9 goals a season..  What would it have cost? Probably a young under achieving player like Domi was, say Goldobin.  A trade for Max Domi would have solved the “who do we play Bo with?” Riddle.   Bo Horvat and Domi would have been the makings of a second line for many years.  Hindsight I guess.  

They would want atleast Goldobin/Virtanen/a young D-man + 2nd round pick. And the CDC would explode on JB for trading “another” 2nd round pick while the team is still “rebuilding”

[Pure961089]

5 hours ago, ruilin96 said:

They would want atleast Goldobin/Virtanen/a young D-man + 2nd round pick. And the CDC would explode on JB for trading “another” 2nd round pick while the team is still “rebuilding”

I doubt the Canadians gave up all that.  Edited: Just checked, Canadians gave up a 24 year old mediocre goalie.   I think the Canucks could have matched that.  

Edited October 18, 2019 by Pure961089

[GhostsOf1994]

3 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

I doubt the Canadians gave up all that.  Edited: Just checked, Canadians gave up a 24 year old mediocre goalie.   I think the Canucks could have matched that.  

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-trade-alex-galchenyuk-coyotes-max-domi/

 

Galchenyuk since 2014/15 has 240 points in 380 games.

 

Domi has 311 gp and 214 points, since being traded to MTL he has 79points in 89gp.

 

 

Galchenyuk and Joseph (2017 1st round D man) were traded for Phil Kessel, 1000Gp 825points. 11- 20 plus goal seasons, 7- 30 plus goal seasons, also a 2 time cup champion.

 

Jannik Hansen as a rental brought Goldy and a 7th. 

 

Some of these things are not like the others...

 

Galchenyuk, Kessel and Domi were drafted 3, 5 and 12 in the first rounds.

 

Hansen and Goldobin?  Hansen was a 9th round pick, goldobin a first rounder 27th overall.

[aGENT]

6 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

I doubt the Canadians gave up all that.  Edited: Just checked, Canadians gave up a 24 year old mediocre goalie.   I think the Canucks could have matched that.  

I would have LOVED Domi (and said as much at the time he was reported available) but we didn't yet have the assets.

[Pure961089]

6 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-trade-alex-galchenyuk-coyotes-max-domi/

 

Galchenyuk since 2014/15 has 240 points in 380 games.

 

Domi has 311 gp and 214 points, since being traded to MTL he has 79points in 89gp.

 

 

Galchenyuk and Joseph (2017 1st round D man) were traded for Phil Kessel, 1000Gp 825points. 11- 20 plus goal seasons, 7- 30 plus goal seasons, also a 2 time cup champion.

 

Jannik Hansen as a rental brought Goldy and a 7th. 

 

Some of these things are not like the others...

 

Galchenyuk, Kessel and Domi were drafted 3, 5 and 12 in the first rounds.

 

Hansen and Goldobin?  Hansen was a 9th round pick, goldobin a first rounder 27th overall.

I’m not talking about now, now you could never make that trade.  And like you said “since then” they have accumulated stats that Goldobin hasn’t. Fair enough.  My argument is Benning could have made a trade for Max Domi years before all of this happened.  Goldobin was no schlub he was a dynamic first rounder himself oozing potential.  You can’t compare the value of Goldobin now to what his value was when he was drafted, or even a couple years after he was drafted.  He had trade value and Max Domi was struggling in Arizona scoring back to back 9 goal seasons.  

[aGENT]

4 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

I’m not talking about now, now you could never make that trade.  And like you said “since then” they have accumulated stats that Goldobin hasn’t. Fair enough.  My argument is Benning could have made a trade for Max Domi years before all of this happened.  Goldobin was no schlub he was a dynamic first rounder himself oozing potential.  You can’t compare the value of Goldobin now to what his value was when he was drafted, or even a couple years after he was drafted.  He had trade value and Max Domi was struggling in Arizona scoring back to back 9 goal seasons.  

We were never getting Domi for Goldobin or anything close to Goldobin.

[Kanukfanatic]

7 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

I’m not talking about now, now you could never make that trade.  And like you said “since then” they have accumulated stats that Goldobin hasn’t. Fair enough.  My argument is Benning could have made a trade for Max Domi years before all of this happened.  Goldobin was no schlub he was a dynamic first rounder himself oozing potential.  You can’t compare the value of Goldobin now to what his value was when he was drafted, or even a couple years after he was drafted.  He had trade value and Max Domi was struggling in Arizona scoring back to back 9 goal seasons.  

Hindsight is always right!   

 

You could use your argument for half the players in the league.  What's the point?? 

[AlwaysACanuckFan]