Com'on people, 17 games, really

[diesel_3]

8 minutes ago, RogersTowell said:

I like how you emphasise so far in that post.  It's much smarter than those who will say a 6 year deal with the guy is terrible because the first 3.6% hasn't been good.  For sure the team isn't elite any more, and I don't think anyone realistically expected they would be.  But they did have the look early of a team that might just grab a playoff spot, and thus be a good place for young players to learn the game in a winning atmosphere.  

 

You have extreme left and extreme right....I'll usually listen to both and go from there.

I just don't like how the whole Virtanen situation has been handled, either. I was hoping it would be a great place to groom young players, but the Virtanen thing has been really strange.

 

I'm hoping stuff gets figured out, i'm OK with a losing season and grabbing another good draft pick...I feel this team needs an identity and a re-jigging of the core.

[Davathor]

Just now, RogersTowell said:

The leafs TANKED for a DECADE and weren't hampered by NTC's almost across the board for their VETERANs.  SEE?  I can use all CAPITALS too, because it makes me more CORRECT.  Now propose what trades you'd make and with who so I can shoot it down as unrealistic nonsense.

 

You have the Leafs confused with the Oilers. The leafs RETOOLED for a decade, so they finished mid pack, with mid tier prospects like Kadri. Sound familiar? It should. They signed guys like Phaneuf and Kessel to drag their team to the playoffs. Sound familiar? It should.

 

If you think this is a rebuild nothing can help you until the Canucks decide to rebuild and you realize how dense you were. As for trade suggestions? Go to the armchair GM forum, I've wasted enough time with you.

[Four posts and a threat]

No life, my hockey team is terrible, the media gets me riled up, what's left to do but post negative stuff on cdc 

[diesel_3]

1 minute ago, Four posts and a threat said:

No life, my hockey team is terrible, the media gets me riled up, what's left to do but post negative stuff on cdc 

Need to troll in online gaming, too.

[Beary Sweet]

Good post. Regarding buying out the Sedins, I wouldn't want to do that to be honest. I'd rather let them keep playing. The way they're going they might not even match the numbers they posted up last season but they still provide great leadership. soon Bo, Guddy maybe will be the leaders of this team in the future. Signing Eriksson by Trader Jim was made to make us think that this is a "playoff" team but reality is this team isn't one really. Making trades may help but it won't really make a difference as this team is lacking offensive depth other than a few prospects like Bo, Virt, Boeser, Lockwood, Gaudette, etc. who are all promising for next season. If we win the draft, I wouldn't mind picking up Patrick or Liljegren, preferably Patrick since he checks a lot of boxes this team is lacking of. But it's still early in the season so anything can happen.

[darkpoet]

32 minutes ago, diesel_3 said:

 

Exactly.

You criticize the team at all and you aren't considered a real fan. This team isn't elite anymore, but don't you dare point that out!

 

The Eriksson signing, SO FAR, has been terrible.

 

The Management with their contradictions..."This is a playoff team!"...."Oh, we are doing a re-tool on the fly" enter: Dealing picks and prospects for players you eventually waive.

 

Agreed.
The season is nearly at the quarter pole. It's no longer "early" so to say "SO FAR..."   well yes, SO FAR it looks to be a pretty bad investment.

It's not like he doesn't have good players to play with. The Sedins are still top shelf talent despite their age, and the move was billed by having him play with 2 guys who he'd had some chemistry with on their National team. That hasn't happened, and if it was going to, it would have by now almost 20 games into the season.

Combine that with predictions of several players who were expected to "take the next step" and haven't, with the addition of Guddy on D who not only doesn't seem to be bringing that "mean edge" he was purported to, but looks lost out there as well ....and you have what we have. A giant mess.

I don't even have to mention the ongoing rumour about ownership meddling - a fire that just refuses to go out. The Virtanen saga. Yet another coach who seems to have 1 leg in the grave......

I've been a fan since 1982 and I don't remember it ever being this bad from the very top to bottom. I don't like it any more than any of you do, but right now, this team is a fart in the wind. It'll change, eventually. But it won't be soon.

Having said all that, I'm hoping they can pull a win out tonight simply to keep their confidence somewhat afloat. 

 

[Mattrek]

1 hour ago, Inge34 said:

I haven't posted in a while and will get flamed for this but who cares. Most won't even take the time to read this but here we go,

 

So the Canucks are 17 games in and so far,

 

1. We need to fire WD
2. We need to fire JB
3. TL is going to quit
4. Erickson is a bust
5. Virtanen is a bust
6. Gudbranson is a bust
7. We need to trade everyone away for picks
8. We need to buy out the Sedins
9. Why can't we do what Toronto did?

 

Holy crap are we the most ridiculously impatient fan base in sports. I would hate to be the one to tell you but we are not a good team everyone. We will not be a good team for 2-4 more seasons, not including this one. What did all of you expect from a bunch of young guys playing in their first years and another bunch of old guys near the end? We were a bottom 3 team last season and had no luck in the draft lottery. We are going to miss the playoffs and most likely be another bottom three team again and again and again.

 

We may be sellers at the TDL and we won't get "the value" for what we give up that most everyone thinks we should get. Why? Because our players are not that good or coveted by anyone.

 

Firing WD will do nothing for this team. Yes, he makes questionable line combos and lineups. Yes, he is trying to win. Yes, for some reason he has issues with Virtanen. But if you think another coach( Green, Jarvis, Roy, Hartley or whoever) will come in here and have this team win like what happened in Pittsburgh last season you need to check yourself in for some treatment. This team just doesn't have the finishing skill to get the job done and that aint changing with a new coach. Everyone is so hot for Green but tell me this, who has he developed in the last three years in Utica? Hutton? no. Horvat? no Tryamkin? no. Baertschi? no. Granlund? no. Stecher? not really. Oh I'll tell you, Guance and Markstrom, that is it. Now is that a reflection of him as a coach, probably not but is a reflection of the lack of talent that the Canucks are dealing with. So go ahead and fire WD, it won't make a shread of difference, this team has a huge gap in talent and it going to take time to fix this. It took Edmonton 10 years to get their team going, Calgary is still struggling even with their "great young players", same with Buffalo, Arizona and Columbus. Toronto has some good young players but they are still outside the playoffs if they started today. 

 

Firing JB will again set this team back another two-three seasons. He is slowly turning this team over and drafting and signing some decent young players. Aside from Edler, our defence is pretty young and will only get better. Our Goaltending looks to be pretty solid for years to come with Markstrom, Demko and even Garteig. His signing of high profile FA's has not been very good but really most of those types of players never really pan out for their new teams. Just google the last 5-6 years of FA signings and there are very few that change the fortunes of a team. His trading has been spotty and he has pissed off fans by saying "We are a playoff team" and they are not. "We are building through the draft" but yet trading picks and prospects for more developed young players. But realistically he had very little in the cupboards and on the ice when he took this team over. The worst thing that could have happened to him and the Canucks is that bounce back season after Torts. It fooled him, it fooled the core, it fooled TL, it fooled the Aqualinis and it fooled all of us. We are not that talented and it will be 2-3 years till we see some of these good young players (Virtanen, Boeser, Demko, Joulevi) show their stuff. 

 

TL is not going to quit. Freidman is a rumour monger and a hack of a journalist. I'm sure TL feels like quitting everyday, especially after being questioned by media and fans on a daily basis. He can't turn on the radio, watch TV,  or go to a restaurant without someone questioning him and his decisions. I know he took the job and this is part of it but holy moly lets wait this out and see what the hell happens folks.

 

Erickson, Virtanen and Gudbranson are not busts. Well they may be but 17 games into the season? Let's not check that one yet. Erickson is a solid two way forward who was never a star player, who will net you 20-30 goals a year. The problem was most of you were listening to 1040 too much. There was a lot of hype around him and the Sedins chemistry and the possibility and allure of 40 goal seasons. Give your head a shake, that has never been his game nor will that ever happen. Yes he is a minus 5 but there are 11 guys equal or worse then that on the Canucks right now, two of them being favourite sons Horvat (-6) and Hutton (-9). Yes we overpaid for him, welcome to free agency everyone. Virtanen story has been totally goofy this year. He should have started in Utica this season but unfortunately there was some injuries and that didn't happen. He is now where he should have been and hopefully he gets 18-20 min per game and can develop his game away from friends and the spotlight. Better late then never. Gudbranson is a solid, stay at home, take the body defender with some solid upside. he's young, big, physical and a good skater. Was he worth what we gave up? I say yes, you say no. We have a young and upcoming d-corp and he will be here for years to come. But he is -9!!! OMG, so is Hutton so he must be a bust too. This team is not very good and can't score goals. So when you don't score a lot and let in lots of goals guess what???? You lose a lot and have a lot of players in the minus. 

 

Let's trade the core players, buy out the Sedins and build like they did in Toronto. Well, aside from Edler, Tanev and Hanson who has any value? Sedins? Got value but no one will take both at 7 mil per season without us eating lots of salary. Dorsett? 5th rounder at best. Sutter? Not a lot of value there. Miller? He only wants to play on the west coast and besides LA who's looking for a rental goalie. Sbisa? Not getting much in return. We could trade some of the young guys but that only moves us back not forward. And who knows, we could move Tanev, Edler and Hanson for some picks, maybe a couple seconds and some AHLer's. But that is not going to change the fact that we are still 2-4 years away from getting good again.

 

We are rebuilding but like I said in the summer I don't think many of the fans have the stomach for a rebuild. We all want the quick fix, blockbuster trade that rips another team off and the franchise drafted player that becomes an instant star. We all want that, the problem lays that so does every other team and fan base. Let's settle down and try to enjoy the little things with the Canucks for the next couple years because that is what it's going to take to turn this team around, another 2-4 seasons. It's really that simple. Just thought I would point out some of the obvious to everyone, and no I don't have a plan to fix things cause I'm not a GM. 

 

Great post, thanks for coming back. This board has no patience whatsoever. I agree with everything you've said except the one I've highlighted for the exact reasons you've used. Will it turn us into a Stanley Cup team? Absolutely not. You'd be off your rocker if that's what you believe. However do I believe this team is better then the standings? Absolutely.

 

We can't get any worse than right now and with the poor choices of deployment and handling of our youth while giving free passes to the veterans changing coaches can't hurt. I don't care if we win or lose, I want players to improve and for every player to be treated equally and for players to be put into situations they'll excel at. None of that is happening right now and though it's not all on the coach I think it's time for a shake up.

[Mattrek]

1 hour ago, danjr said:

6 million for 10 goals is just a little bit of overpayment.

 

Hell I got super mad when they geve Sergio Momesso a million.

 

If I had the money I would pay to not have Eriksson play and live with the disappointment that he has brought me thus far in the season.  Right now he is in my personal top ten for worst signings ever made by Vancouver.  I am sure by the end of the season he will be #1.

 

It took 5 posts to confirm your thread.

[Dr. Crossbar]

35 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Ya, we've only been waiting since FRIGGIN' 1970 for a Cup.  Yes impatient. 

If we really are an impatient fanbase, why isn't everyone in win now mode?

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

If we really are an impatient fanbase, why isn't everyone in win now mode?

 

I guess because the only era we had that was a truly consistent Cup type team was with the .Twins, who we picked 2-3.  We know it takes those elite guys to really compete for Cups, and the higher the pick, the more likely the elite talent, no? 

[diesel_3]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

If we really are an impatient fanbase, why isn't everyone in win now mode?

 

 

Sometimes I wish I was like @apollo

The guy only sees the good...I'm just an old, bitter, jaded A-Hole who wants an entertaining hockey team win or lose.

[Vanisleryan]

Someone told me today that we have only led 5 vs 5 so far this year for 35 minutes total....so stop and think about that for a second.

[Mad_Duck]

36 minutes ago, diesel_3 said:

Need to troll in online gaming, too.

I hear political discussion forums are particularly ripe right about now...

[diesel_3]

2 minutes ago, Mad_Duck said:

I hear political discussion forums are particularly ripe right about now...

LOL! too soon, man.....

[Quoted]

8 minutes ago, Vanisleryan said:

Someone told me today that we have only led 5 vs 5 so far this year for 35 minutes total....so stop and think about that for a second.

 

I'm not sure of the exact number (doesn't really matter), but that says so much and is very scary!

 

[WhoseTruckWasIt]

1 hour ago, Davathor said:

 

Can't let this stupid comment slide... You identify this forum as being rampant with idiocy and then suggest "what is a rebuild that we aren't doing already?" Is a comment a "smart" commenter would make.  Signing Eriksson comes to mind.. so does trading McCann and a 2nd. So does repeatedly publicly stating we are not rebuilding many times over.

 

Opinions really are like ***holes. If I had to guess I'd say your one of the guys that uses the phrase "real" fans to describe rose colored glasses wearing cheerleaders

So.....uh......a "re-build" is not actually a thing.  There is no textbook.  But thank you for demonstrating what narrow thinking looks like.  Definitely not stupid, but definitely narrow.

[WhoseTruckWasIt]

1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said:

 

Not talking about Eriksson are you? That number would be 8 million, not 6 million.

 

17 games leaving 65.

Estimated 95 points needed for playoffs

Current points total = 13 points

So, in the next 65 games this team needs, around 82 points, they need to win 41 of the next 65 games, or get a whole lot of loser points.

 

What plan?

 

 

The Plan:

Try to be good.  Try to have good players.  Try to have young players get better.

 

Are you baffled?  Did I lose you?  Is your little shoebox of a mind still with me? 

[riffraff]

I'll admit I stopped reading after the list but I can't be bothered to debate against.  

 

"It is what it is."

 

ill go back to my new found apathy on most things Canucks.  It used to be an open mind and no expectations but, well, I suppose it's degenerated from there.

[Jaimito]

 

[canuck2288]

Signed TL, WD and JB