SpennyCanuck Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, ice orca said: TSN reported a lot of teams are very interested in Vatenen, i wonder if that will affect the price on Tanev? 6 minutes ago, J.R. said: Difference being that we don't have to move Tanev. ANA needs to move a D. They'll likely get less than Vatanan's worth and we might get more than Tanev is. Would not be shocked if the values are pretty darn close. Agreed on the urgency of ANA. Depends on team need. one team could value Tanev more than Vatanan, vise versa. With no urgency to get a deal done, JB will get more out of Tanev than ANA gets out of Vantanan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Monty said: I mean, a better defenseman will net a better return. So, probably. More like... the more D for sale, the lower the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, cuporbust said: We were a 100 point team for the better part of a decade. 8 full seasons over a 100 points actually. We had a long run. Not sure what u mean by a quick derail man. *sigh* Allow me to clarify my statement. How long after Bertizzi went nuts did the team hit the gutter? How did Kesler's choice to check out, demand a trade and restrict that trade to the Hawks or Ducks impact the team? Bothe these choices quickly derailed the team. In Bertuzzi's case a good team went in the crapper. In Kesler's case a team that had given him his start and made him a star was handicapped and could not get anywhere near fair market value when they needed it most. A team need to be good in the first place to be taken off track. That clear things up for ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 0:30 AM, Wolfgang Durst said: Well said, very well said. It's all about timing. If Dallas get no offers from other teams before draft day for their #3rd overall and with offers I mean a Top-4 D-Man the Canucks would hold a very very strong position. If this scenario would become reality that would be pure luck for the Canucks. Dallas need a shutdown D-Man like Tanev with three year more on a very favourable contract desperately. Word is that JB hasn't talked to Dallas, yet. He is pretty clever waiting for the right time. Well done JB, so far...! Another GM gets the pick = GMJB schooled by a smarter pure-skilled GM Listen to banter around the team's wanting D. Some do not want or need a Vatanen type but rather a solid shutdown guy. So in some ways there isn't a direct asset competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Kuzma on 1040 today stating that he does not think that JB will trade Tanev at the draft...So a bit of a back-pedal there from him (after he quoted his sources in Dallas earlier last week) ...I would like to see Tanev traded for the 3OA,but realistically..I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Screw said: Funny how their egos/selfish choices worked to quickly derail those years as well. Can't throw Burrows in that mix. Probably the most loyal canuck there was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobi Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Honky Cat said: Kuzma on 1040 today stating that he does not think that JB will trade Tanev at the draft...So a bit of a back-pedal there from him (after he quoted his sources in Dallas earlier last week) ...I would like to see Tanev traded for the 3OA,but realistically..I don't see it happening. Maybe if DAL will sweeten the pot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Tanev is #14 on TSN's list: http://www.tsn.ca/kane-smith-join-tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-board-1.774908 TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS PEOPLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Tanev is #14 on TSN's list: http://www.tsn.ca/kane-smith-join-tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-board-1.774908 TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS PEOPLE! I don't think that list is a ranking. Nathan McKinnon is at #35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Screw said: *sigh* Allow me to clarify my statement. How long after Bertizzi went nuts did the team hit the gutter? How did Kesler's choice to check out, demand a trade and restrict that trade to the Hawks or Ducks impact the team? Bothe these choices quickly derailed the team. In Bertuzzi's case a good team went in the crapper. In Kesler's case a team that had given him his start and made him a star was handicapped and could not get anywhere near fair market value when they needed it most. A team need to be good in the first place to be taken off track. That clear things up for ya? Bertuzzi netted us Luongo, who immediately turned us into a playoff team. The year Kesler was traded, we made the playoffs with 101 points. So that's not really derailing. We are currently derailing due to a combination of: injuries to top 4 d, the sedin decline in the last 2 years, the growing pains of young players (Horvat, Baertschi, Virtanen, Mccann, Hutton, Tryamkin, Gaunce etc...), the lack of depth we have in nhl ready prospects (thank you gills), and the complete bust that eriksson was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 So Kuzma goes on the radio and says he thinks the Canucks are likely not to deal Tanev... and everyone starts backing off the hype train. Hes also the same guy to basically begin the hot rumour. Kuzma is fairly close with Linden FWIW. If I was trying to negotiate a deal, Id probably ask the media Im close with to name drop and back off to help potentially drive up an asking price. Not sayin thats whats happening, but I still think Tanev is VERY much in play, and that there are other deals on the burner as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 6/4/2017 at 2:24 PM, Trebreh said: JB needs to hit the home run with this Tanev deal. a blue chipper (Drouin) or a top 3 pick! I was with you till you said Drouin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/ Quote Watch New Jersey in the lead-up to the draft. There is a growing suspicion the Devils feel their greatest need is on the blue line, and there are some good ones they like (Miro Heiskanen? Cale Makar?). Anyway, would GM Ray Shero take one of them at the top, or would he move down just a little bit, adding something else, if he knew he could still get what he wanted? Vancouver could use a centre, for example. The compensatory pick from Columbus for hiring John Tortorella (55th overall) is something they dangled to see if it could help them move, but so far, no dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 10 hours ago, terrible.dee said: I was with you till you said Drouin You're either with us or against us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hip Check Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 22 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/ Not expecting it to happen but imagine if we wound up picking at one and three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucktika Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 6/9/2017 at 10:44 AM, TheHockeyNerds said: Vancouver is probably looks at something close to a hall return for Tanev! Obviously won't get a player of the caliber but there asking price will be about in that range Couldn't agree more. We don't have to trade Tanev. Only trade him if a team pays up. Tanev is an essential piece to our rebuild. Only trade him to Dallas if the deal is: To Vancouver 3rd overall pick, Honka, Nishuskin, one of their overpriced G (salary dump to help them with their cap)To Dallas Tanev & 2nd round pick from Jackets Flip the 3rd for 2 later high enough picks in the first round. with the 3 picks plus our 2nd round pick draft Glass, Patersson, Liljegren, Klim Kostin. Offseason done: Vancouver off season additions : Cody Glass (Big pass first Center that can grind) Elias Pattersson (Creative, skilled C) Tim Liljegren (Offensive Dman) Julius Honka (Two way D) Klim Kostin (Size and skill) Valeri Nishuskin (Power forward) Rebuild fast forwarded. One can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, Nucktika said: Couldn't agree more. We don't have to trade Tanev. Only trade him if a team pays up. Tanev is an essential piece to our rebuild. Only trade him to Dallas if the deal is: To Vancouver 3rd overall pick, Honka, Nishuskin, one of their overpriced G (salary dump to help them with their cap)To Dallas Tanev & 2nd round pick from Jackets Flip the 3rd for 2 later high enough picks in the first round. with the 3 picks plus our 2nd round pick draft Glass, Patersson, Liljegren, Klim Kostin. Offseason done: Vancouver off season additions : Cody Glass (Big pass first Center that can grind) Elias Pattersson (Creative, skilled C) Tim Liljegren (Offensive Dman) Julius Honka (Two way D) Klim Kostin (Size and skill) Valeri Nishuskin (Power forward) Rebuild fast forwarded. One can dream I haven't posted in a long time, but this drew me in. My lord, those must be some good bath salts lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucktika Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheInsideScoop said: I haven't posted in a long time, but this drew me in. My lord, those must be some good bath salts lol lol...one can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Nucktika said: Couldn't agree more. We don't have to trade Tanev. Only trade him if a team pays up. Tanev is an essential piece to our rebuild. Only trade him to Dallas if the deal is: To Vancouver 3rd overall pick, Honka, Nishuskin, one of their overpriced G (salary dump to help them with their cap)To Dallas Tanev & 2nd round pick from Jackets Flip the 3rd for 2 later high enough picks in the first round. with the 3 picks plus our 2nd round pick draft Glass, Patersson, Liljegren, Klim Kostin. Offseason done: Vancouver off season additions : Cody Glass (Big pass first Center that can grind) Elias Pattersson (Creative, skilled C) Tim Liljegren (Offensive Dman) Julius Honka (Two way D) Klim Kostin (Size and skill) Valeri Nishuskin (Power forward) Rebuild fast forwarded. One can dream Do any teams own two later high enough picks in the first round that we could flip the 3rd pick too? I am too lazy to look it up, but if there aren't, we can't split the 3rd pick in half, how would you manage to pull that off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap_Pass82 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Nucktika said: Couldn't agree more. We don't have to trade Tanev. Only trade him if a team pays up. Tanev is an essential piece to our rebuild. Only trade him to Dallas if the deal is: To Vancouver 3rd overall pick, Honka, Nishuskin, one of their overpriced G (salary dump to help them with their cap)To Dallas Tanev & 2nd round pick from Jackets Flip the 3rd for 2 later high enough picks in the first round. with the 3 picks plus our 2nd round pick draft Glass, Patersson, Liljegren, Klim Kostin. Offseason done: Vancouver off season additions : Cody Glass (Big pass first Center that can grind) Elias Pattersson (Creative, skilled C) Tim Liljegren (Offensive Dman) Julius Honka (Two way D) Klim Kostin (Size and skill) Valeri Nishuskin (Power forward) Rebuild fast forwarded. One can dream Why dont we ask them to toss in Benn and Seguin as wel lol. This is why people often laugh at our message boards...such unrealistic/lopsided proposals. Dont get me wrong i would love to see that deal go down but JB would have to offer up his left nut ++ to make that deal work! Pretty sure they are very high on Honka. Nichuskin could be a beast IF he comes back to NHL so cant see them moving both those guys plus #3. I would be stoked if we can obtain the 3rd overall pick. We really need some sort of excitement surrounding this team and 2 top 5 picks in the draft would be dooope! Come on JB lets make Vancouver great again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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