TheRocket18 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think Karlsson's past his prime now, and is not worth the investment of our first rounders, which could get pretty good. Obviously not as good as Karlsson was, but he'll never be that player again. Footspeed is impacted. Who skates better, Karlsson, coffey or keith btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: So Ottawa is a tire fire. No one went for Karlsson this TDL.... so is there a window for us to try to get him before the end of the season? Here's my suggestion, is it enough? A lot of 1st rounders have flown the coop already for 2018, so we may have an edge over other teams if we finally want a 1D. To VAN: EK, Bobby Ryan 50% salary retained. To OTT: Guddy, Hutton, Goldy, protected 1st rounder (top 3 lotto protected, unprotected 2019 1st if we win a top 3 2018 spot). Caveat that we are also able to negotiate an EK extension. Not worth it for us really. Imagine the Oilers stepping up and offering RNH, Lucic, Klefbom or Nurse, this years 1st (top 2 protected) and this years 2nd for Ryan and Karlsson. Contingent upon an extension Already a better deal for the Sens and while it screws the Oil. They can then deal with the endless worries about a $10 million extension. Or a Draisatl, a 2018 2nd and 2019 first for Karlsson and Ryan. Again, already a better contingent upon them making cap moves to fit it all in. Someone else will step in and wildly overpay thus handcuffing their team with his contract demands and the loss of futures. Not worth it for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: So Ottawa is a tire fire. No one went for Karlsson this TDL.... so is there a window for us to try to get him before the end of the season? Here's my suggestion, is it enough? A lot of 1st rounders have flown the coop already for 2018, so we may have an edge over other teams if we finally want a 1D. To VAN: EK, Bobby Ryan 50% salary retained. To OTT: Guddy, Hutton, Goldy, protected 1st rounder (top 3 lotto protected, unprotected 2019 1st if we win a top 3 2018 spot). Caveat that we are also able to negotiate an EK extension. Ottawa says they want 8 pieces coming back. They cant all be 1st rounders, so I am sure they are expecting a lot of B prospects. Ryan (25% retained) Karlsson for Hutton Stecher (with karlsson where does he fit? Karlsson will play 25+minutes on the right side in all offensive situations) Goldobin Gaunce Baertschi Granlund 2019 1st round pick 2018 2nd round pick 2019 2nd round pick 9 pieces, 6 with NHL experience, all very young. I would still do it. Karlsson makes this team a playoff team. Ryan then traded to Anaheim with some salary retained to get him off the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: would it tho? our biggest need is a 1D and we're doing pretty well on F prospects. Not when we give up our top forward prospects and players for a 1D. Bo, Boeser, Petterson would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainLinden16 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, luckylager said: Not when we give up our top forward prospects and players for a 1D. Bo, Boeser, Petterson would be gone. No, I don't think any of them would be gone. They have to trade him and want to trade him, so they will take less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 if ottawa is packaging Ryan in a Karlson trade they are not going to take salary back the whole point of it is so they wouldn't be spending that money. from our perspective we have a ton of cap so maybe we could fit that all into our structure but that's alot of potential issues when our Boesers, Pettersons and Gaudettes. I'd rather utilized our cap structure within the next 2 years to take on bad contracts with term to affect only those 2 years and accumulate assets that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, luckylager said: Not when we give up our top forward prospects and players for a 1D. Bo, Boeser, Petterson would be gone. it would have to be done without those guys... probably tanks it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, CaptainLinden16 said: Ottawa says they want 8 pieces coming back. They cant all be 1st rounders, so I am sure they are expecting a lot of B prospects. 8! I hadn't heard that. wow. For that teams will want to guarantee an extension for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 il pass on our future for him hes a great d but teams not gonna contend with him here we need mor top 5 picks so we can draft more prospects not trade them away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, CaptainLinden16 said: No, I don't think any of them would be gone. They have to trade him and want to trade him, so they will take less. 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: it would have to be done without those guys... probably tanks it then. If they were going to take scraps for Karlsson they already would have. You want elite coming in? Elite is going out. There's no way around it. Though Melnik is a cheap SOB, I doubt he's put Dorion in a position to settle on a Karlsson trade. Some team will be able to part with the assets that we can't afford to lose in order to land him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheif16 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Yotes said: He wasn't a pending UFA, so OTT had 0 rush to deal him unless they got an extreme return or a great return and dumped Ryan's contract. Even at next TDL Karlsson will have big time value as a rental and will have lots of interested teams. Imagine TB getting Karlsson next deadline... Hedman Karlsson Serg McDonagh Damn! How do they afford that..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheif16 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Pears said: Not close to what Ottawa would want. You’re probably looking at something like Goldobin, Gaudette, Juolevi, Lind, 2018 1st (top 3-5 protected), conditional 2020 1st. Wouldn't give that up... so no to EK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The only swedish d-man we need is Dahlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: The only swedish d-man we need is Dahlin. Edler quietly sobs.... I guess its my inner vulture kicking in, I just have to wonder how dysfunctional the front office is in Ottawa right now and if we can take advantage of that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Edler quietly sobs.... I guess its my inner vulture kicking in, I just have to wonder how dysfunctional the front office is in Ottawa right now and if we can take advantage of that, Other GMs looking at Dorion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck1991 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 offer has to be like ...1st round this year + guddy + juolevi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Kane Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Tanev Demko Pettersson Goldobin 1st Would probably get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Canucks Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Karlsson may be good, but he isn't that good. He doesn't single-handedly make us a playoff team. We don't have the depth of assets to afford Karlsson. Our defense would still be bad with him. No to trading for Karlsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 If the offer doesn't include Petterson or 6 or 53 it doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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