[Discussion] Busy Last Few Days.

[6string]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

With how good Benning is at the draft, would a couple seconds be fair return?  Not enough?  

If Benning with Beagle's experience feels Gaudette and or Gaunce are good to go full time next year, high end round two's would be considered.

 

But I'm thinking D or goaltending roster players may have some appeal too.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, 6string said:

If Benning with Beagle's experience feels Gaudette and or Gaunce are good to go full time next year, high end round two's would be considered.

 

But I'm thinking D or goaltending roster players may have some appeal too.

We definitely need a ligit starting goalie.  Maybe Demko is ready soon?

[6string]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We definitely need a ligit starting goalie.  Maybe Demko is ready soon?

If Demko is not ready we can ill afford another season with the two we have.

 

Next season we will be launching two young Dmen in Juolevi ( we may see him this year ) and Hughes . The teams requires a mid league level of performance from a goaltender to usher in the youngsters.

 

Demko can also have the confidence of a strong netminder either ahead of him or behind him in the lineup as he finds his way in the NHL.

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[Crabcakes]

3 hours ago, 6string said:

If Demko is not ready we can ill afford another season with the two we have.

 

Next season we will be launching two young Dmen in Juolevi ( we may see him this year ) and Hughes . The teams requires a mid league level of performance from a goaltender to usher in the youngsters.

 

Demko can also have the confidence of a strong netminder either ahead of him or behind him in the lineup as he finds his way in the NHL.

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Last I heard from Utica, may have been Agnew or Cull, was that Juolevi was progressing well but had work to do defensively.  It was said that Sautner, Chatfield and Briesbois were closer to the NHL however.  I know that development doesn't go in straight lines but based on this, I wouldn't expect Juolevi until mid season next year.

 

Hughes on the other hand, is well ahead of last years pace with 3-12-15  -5 in 13 games this season.  He will probably be joining the Canucks at the end of this season if Michigan doesn't make the Frozen 4.

 

There's no telling how far Demko will come this season.  He obviously had an unfortunate start.  He has played 2 games so far, both wins with a 0.918 save %

['NucK™]

5 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Agreed.  I'd prefer we roll with what we have, looking at extending Edler.  Maybe a later pick for MDZ would be nice

Only way MDZ has value is if he clears waivers first.. 

[cowboy644]

I see phllly going hard at the trade deadline after Bobrovsky and maybe trading a good prospect there.Then sign for big bucks for long term that Bobber is going to command.Goalie has been the Flyers white whale for years.

[JM_]

13 hours ago, stawns said:

I'm not expecting a single trade this season

I think it all depends on injuries, if that keeps happening then who knows. But I'm not expecting much movement if any. 

[elvis15]

15 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said:

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If I was the Canuck GM I might be taking calls and making a few, just to get a feeling of the market if nothing else...

Do you think he's watching his long distance bill until he absolutely has to make a call? Like if making a proposal/discussion thread cost you a dollar each time, and you had to make sure it was really good before submitting it?

 

And what are we discussing? Whether or not Benning should be making calls?

[Nucker 67]

So, I hear Juolevi is coming to Vancouver to see a specialist for his knee. He's missed the last 3 Utica games. He's also got the worst +/- on the Comets. I'm starting to wonder if we'll see Woo make the Canucks before Juolevi. (slight exaggeration - Woo's going to be good though)

 

I also agree with stawns, that I don't think the Canucks will make any trades this year. They have a decent amount of depth and they seem to like the team they have. Even Gagner has returned looking somewhat motivated. Once Sutter and Beagle return, they should be much better defensively.

[oldnews]

17 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Sorry OLD News but that just cost Hextall his job

Why would they want to say their coarse?

 

PS...……...MacDonald is terrible and it shows in their stats

That is part of their veteran Leadership...……..Ouch!

Whatever.

Good luck competing with Tampa short term.

 

Stay the course.

 

They should give their head a shake if they fired Hextall for not competing soon enough.

Impatient shades of Florida/Tallon and what Carolina did to Ron Francis.

Derp.  Look at their youth.   Form a realistic timeline.

 

Seems like you may have gotten my point though - yeah McDonald is more important to upgrade for them than C imo - as are their defensive wingers.

[FlyLow_]

Holmgren said today he plans to address goaltending. Markstrom sure does seem like a Flyer's type of goalie. They also have no wing depth. Love to send Markstrom and Leipsic to them for a couple picks or a mid level prospect. I'm not super picky, it's addition by subtraction from where I sit. We'd have to take whatever bum goalie not named Bishop they'd want to send back.

[Canuck Surfer]

23 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

 

So Alf

Last year

Rangers traded   

 

JT Miller and Ryan McDonagh

for

Namesnitkov + 2018 1st + 2019 2nd + Brett Howden + Libor Hajek

 

so what would

 

Sutter 50% and Tanev get you?

Miller is not exactly equal to Sutter defensively.  But offensively he's a dynamo in comparison. Edge Miller if your shopping value. And not that close.

 

McDonough may be one of few who are better than Tanev defensively. Can play PP and offensive minutes. Play physical. Stand up to a hard physical series. Edge McDonugh. And its less close. Beast is a true term that can be applied with McDonough; one of the leagues absolute best 2 way D.

 

I am not meaning to belittle our players. They are good players.  These are just better. A case could be made on Sutter. But it still wont see him chip in & score as much as Miller.

 

So if your are not getting any, or at least a less stellar return?

 

They do help support our team.

 

 

Tanev will have more value if he can have long healthy stretches where he has also held up to physical play.  He's captain courageous to me. Takes a hit to clear the zone. Battles bigger guys. Blocks shots. Admirable. But will hold a lot more value with 55 plus games on his CV this season at the deadline. My own estimation is he will be traded as a rental, for a reasonable return, Feb 2020.

22 hours ago, oldnews said:

Sutter could help literally any team in the NHL - but even with Sutter, their principal weaknesses remain.

 

Couturier and Laughton are both excellent penalty killers - probably their best two forwards and they're both centers.

 

Gudas and Andy McDonald are their #2 and 3 pk D.  22 yr old Provorov is their #1.

Their defensive wingers are...Raffl....and then...uninspiring.

 

No doubt Sutter helps them - but two things about that - they're still not deep enough everywhere else - they're already arguably deepest at C (or young D)  - and second, Sutter is not 'available' = if anyone wants Sutter, be prepared to pay through the nose.   Are they at the stage to pay through the nose?  Not imo - but they have a pair of great young defensive centers to build on - and that's not including Patrick, who imo is a beast in the making.  I think they should stay the course.

 

Stay the course as in no major change? Yes, very much agreed.

 

But they have enough prospect depth they could ''tinker.''  And make hockey trades.They don't have the space for Morin once he's healthy. He'll require waivers I believe next year. He may not be what we need? But we would be attractive to the market I would think?

 

I could see him being a trade candidate for a two way winger. Or a RHD. Which is what they really need.  Their timeline may not support waiting for  Phillip Myers to be a top 4 D? But trading for a guy who shelters him till he arrives would be a strong move IMO. Rubtsov would probably be a possible expendable candidate, with their C depth? I don't believe Hextal would have paid him for Tanev? But their new / old regime might?    

 

(As above, if Tanev can stay healthy, he makes himself the type of candidate that might command that value??) (They also have cash to re-up Tanev in 2 years?)

 

Try another goalie. Just a serviceable NHL goalie at low cost, there are always a few out there. Bishop was almost free his rental year. And the flopped premium St Lou paid Buffaly for Miller 5 years ago seems to have dimmed goalie premiums at the deadline.

 

9 hours ago, cowboy644 said:

I see phllly going hard at the trade deadline after Bobrovsky and maybe trading a good prospect there.Then sign for big bucks for long term that Bobber is going to command.Goalie has been the Flyers white whale for years.

And no sense paying a bomb for a goalie.  Not for this year. In trade assets. They wont win a cup anyway.

 

Just pay him UFA July 1.

[Crabcakes]

5 hours ago, oldnews said:

Whatever.

Good luck competing with Tampa short term.

 

Stay the course.

 

They should give their head a shake if they fired Hextall for not competing soon enough.

Impatient shades of Florida/Tallon and what Carolina did to Ron Francis.

Derp.  Look at their youth.   Form a realistic timeline.

 

Seems like you may have gotten my point though - yeah McDonald is more important to upgrade for them than C imo - as are their defensive wingers.

Agree whole heartedly.  

 

I get that the powers that be in Philly want to achieve something before Giroux (30) etc get too old but if they start dealing assets to try and fill holes, then they risk never building something sustainable.

 

Winnipeg did it the right way.  They are now looking like a juggernaut. Next year they are in cap trouble with RFA's Laine, Connor, Trouba and UFA Myers.  Good players will have to be moved but if Chevy is smart, he'll get draft picks in return from impatient teams like Philly and keep the train of good prospects running.

 

 

[TheGuardian_]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 5:24 PM, Crabcakes said:

 

Winnipeg did it the right way

It took that Winnipeg franchise 17 years so far and they still haven't won.

If you are referring to more recent times, then it took them more like 4 years and trades. Can't go back to a single draft pick other wise the Canucks have been at it since Edler was drafted.

They just traded away all their older players to help make this team.

[Canuck Surfer]

17 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said:

It took that franchise 17 years so far and they still haven't won.

If you are referring to more recent times, then it took them more like 4 years and trades. Can't go back to a single draft pick other wise the Canucks have been at it since Edler was drafted.

They just traded away all their older players to help make this team.

You sound like Ed Snider

[vannuck59]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 5:54 PM, Canuck Surfer said:

Miller is not exactly equal to Sutter defensively.  But offensively he's a dynamo in comparison. Edge Miller if your shopping value. And not that close.

 

McDonough may be one of few who are better than Tanev defensively. Can play PP and offensive minutes. Play physical. Stand up to a hard physical series. Edge McDonugh. And its less close. Beast is a true term that can be applied with McDonough; one of the leagues absolute best 2 way D.

 

I am not meaning to belittle our players. They are good players.  These are just better. A case could be made on Sutter. But it still wont see him chip in & score as much as Miller.

 

So if your are not getting any, or at least a less stellar return?

 

They do help support our team.

 

 

Tanev will have more value if he can have long healthy stretches where he has also held up to physical play.  He's captain courageous to me. Takes a hit to clear the zone. Battles bigger guys. Blocks shots. Admirable. But will hold a lot more value with 55 plus games on his CV this season at the deadline. My own estimation is he will be traded as a rental, for a reasonable return, Feb 2020.

Stay the course as in no major change? Yes, very much agreed.

 

But they have enough prospect depth they could ''tinker.''  And make hockey trades.They don't have the space for Morin once he's healthy. He'll require waivers I believe next year. He may not be what we need? But we would be attractive to the market I would think?

 

I could see him being a trade candidate for a two way winger. Or a RHD. Which is what they really need.  Their timeline may not support waiting for  Phillip Myers to be a top 4 D? But trading for a guy who shelters him till he arrives would be a strong move IMO. Rubtsov would probably be a possible expendable candidate, with their C depth? I don't believe Hextal would have paid him for Tanev? But their new / old regime might?    

 

(As above, if Tanev can stay healthy, he makes himself the type of candidate that might command that value??) (They also have cash to re-up Tanev in 2 years?)

 

Try another goalie. Just a serviceable NHL goalie at low cost, there are always a few out there. Bishop was almost free his rental year. And the flopped premium St Lou paid Buffaly for Miller 5 years ago seems to have dimmed goalie premiums at the deadline.

 

And no sense paying a bomb for a goalie.  Not for this year. In trade assets. They wont win a cup anyway.

 

Just pay him UFA July 1.

I disagree trade and draft or for good prospects Tampa could give up some prospects to win