SabreFan1 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, KKnight said: Soooo what would you classify as a reasonable offer? The highest bid among all of the teams that are interested. If NHL insiders are to be believed, after Trouba was traded, all eyes turned to Ristolainen. The market and to a certain extent, Botterill's judgment will set the price. In my opinion, the Canucks would have to give up too much in order to win a multi-team bidding war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Virtanen, Gaudette, and a 2nd. More than fair for a guy that is still a work in progress defensively. Edited June 29, 2019 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: Ristolainen as a defenceman outscores Baertschi every year, is younger, is huge and plays physical. Good luck with that proposal 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: Ristolainen as a defenceman outscores Baertschi every year, is younger, is huge and plays physical. Good luck with that proposal True. But have you looked at his +/-? Worst in the league. I know that stat is not a be all end all, but Risto has been largely put in an offensive role and shots against with him on the ice was brutal according to two assessments I just read online. So yeah - the guy can score, and yeah, he is a good size, but to me we cannot accept more scoring only to sacrifice defensive responsibility. This rings even more true if we end up losing Tanev - who has historically made a huge difference towards supressing shots against. Edited June 29, 2019 by kloubek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, kloubek said: but Risto has been largely put in an offensive role That's not particularly accurate. He plays a similar big/hard minute match up role to Edler with less defensive ability granted, but also less defensive forward support. Like Edler, that does include some pp time but I don't think we want to confuse anyone in to thinking he was in a sheltered offensive role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 59 minutes ago, aGENT said: That's not particularly accurate. He plays a similar big/hard minute match up role to Edler with less defensive ability granted, but also less defensive forward support. Like Edler, that does include some pp time but I don't think we want to confuse anyone in to thinking he was in a sheltered offensive role. Not sheltered at all - and I didnt mean to imply such. But he isn't tasked with being a shutdown guy either. He is an offense first guy and in playing that style, it appears he gives up a ton of chances. Chances turn into goals. And a goal against is just as bad as a goal for is good to me. I know you are high on this guy agent - and a big guy would definitely be an asset - but for the cost I believe it would take I wonder how much overall benefit we would really see with him in the lineup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, kloubek said: I know you are high on this guy agent - Nope. Just a clear understanding of what he would bring. I have no delusions that he's a #1D or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Virtanen, Gaudette, and a 2nd. More than fair for a guy that is still a work in progress defensively. Way too much for one player who’s a work in progress defensively - aka sucks. Pass I wouldn’t even give that up for Provorov Edited June 29, 2019 by 18W-40C-6W 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Way too much for one player who’s a work in progress defensively - aka sucks. Pass I wouldn’t even give that up for Provorov Thank god JB is in charge then haha. Edit: I mean...who would give up a current 3rd liner, a prospect, and a 2nd for a big first pairing D man. Edited June 29, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Thank god JB is in charge then haha. Edit: I mean...who would give up a current 3rd liner, a prospect, and a 2nd for a big first pairing D man. I mean watch him play and look at his advanced stats and see how he can’t play defense. I guess that wouldn’t make him a real first pairing dman. That plus minus sure looks like a great dman and first pair to me! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048 i guess if you don’t believe in a first pair being able to play defense, don’t believe he should suppress shots, don’t believe he shouldn’t give up ridiculous amounts of shots in the “home plate” area of the ice - then. he hits a lot, gets points and gives up way too many opportunities to offset his production, gives away at a 2-1 margin, and is not a positive possession player. Drrrr lol - nice attempt - didn’t work lil buddy! Keep at it! Edited June 29, 2019 by 18W-40C-6W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 hours ago, aGENT said: That's not particularly accurate. He plays a similar big/hard minute match up role to Edler with less defensive ability granted, but also less defensive forward support. Like Edler, that does include some pp time but I don't think we want to confuse anyone in to thinking he was in a sheltered offensive role. This is exactly it. He is put into all situation like Edler is which accounts for the +/- to a degree. Bring him to a team with more depth and he can likely have more of a offensive role. We need offence from the backend and we can’t rely on just Hughes and the Edler drop pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 18W-40C-6W said: I mean watch him play and look at his advanced stats and see how he can’t play defense. I guess that wouldn’t make him a real first pairing dman. That plus minus sure looks like a great dman and first pair to me! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048 i guess if you don’t believe in a first pair being able to play defense, don’t believe he should suppress shots, don’t believe he shouldn’t give up ridiculous amounts of shots in the “home plate” area of the ice - then. he hits a lot, gets points and gives up way too many opportunities to offset his production, gives away at a 2-1 margin, and is not a positive possession player. Drrrr lol - nice attempt - didn’t work lil buddy! Keep at it! Sure junior. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Way too much for one player who’s a work in progress defensively - aka sucks. Pass I wouldn’t even give that up for Provorov no worries he sucks. We're gonna get him for Baertschi, Goldobin and a 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 18W-40C-6W said: I mean watch him play and look at his advanced stats and see how he can’t play defense. I guess that wouldn’t make him a real first pairing dman. That plus minus sure looks like a great dman and first pair to me! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048 i guess if you don’t believe in a first pair being able to play defense, don’t believe he should suppress shots, don’t believe he shouldn’t give up ridiculous amounts of shots in the “home plate” area of the ice - then. he hits a lot, gets points and gives up way too many opportunities to offset his production, gives away at a 2-1 margin, and is not a positive possession player. Drrrr lol - nice attempt - didn’t work lil buddy! Keep at it! Thank god you don't work for the Canucks lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Thank god you don't work for the Canucks lol. Yes thank god I actually look at stats and player information before I make comments. Try it some time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 For some reason I feel risto would be the better play then Myers. The cost to acquire risto might be expensive tho. If for some reason we got into cap issues with Myers under the cap tho. We would essentially be giving away more assets to remove the contract. I guess it depends how confident Jim is in his ability to manage the cap. Risto is younger tho. Just depends on ask I guess if risto is still on the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I'd love risto at the right price cause I like his offense. However, I can't get a read on his defense and if he's truly that horrific or is it the Buffalo factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, FireGillis said: I'd love risto at the right price cause I like his offense. However, I can't get a read on his defense and if he's truly that horrific or is it the Buffalo factor. He's 'ok' defensively. He certainly shouldn't be the main match up guy, which he has been in BUF and would not be here. They're also not a team that supports the puck very well, either forwards or defense, so view his 'poor' numbers in that context. So partly that he's not built for the role and partly BUF factor. Playing in a less demanding, offensive role here, I think he would flourish. But by all means I hope Benning is playing up his green jacket +/- to lower the price 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 14 hours ago, danaimo said: I never thought the CDC community would have a higher IQ than another online community. I guess I was wrong. "There are only 2 things that are infinite. The Universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the Universe" - A. Einstein My favourite Einstein quote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Yes thank god I actually look at stats and player information before I make comments. Try it some time! What was drew doughty plus minus last year?. Guess he’s not a top pairing D either. Looking at stats and understand the meaning of the are two different things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: He's 'ok' defensively. He certainly shouldn't be the main match up guy, which he has been in BUF and would not be here. They're also not a team that supports the puck very well, either forwards or defense, so view his 'poor' numbers in that context. So partly that he's not built for the role and partly BUF factor. Playing in a less demanding, offensive role here, I think he would flourish. But by all means I hope Benning is playing up his green jacket +/- to lower the price And he’s only 24. It’s not like he’s peaked yet. He’s got a lot of room to grow still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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