86Viking Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: I know. It's Baertschi for a 2nd, and Granlund for Shinkaruk all over again right? those trades dont compare, we took a player who didnt fit with tampa and had a 5m cap hit they wanted to shed, that should have easily lowered the price to NOT have a 1st round pick involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, FlyLow_ said: You said he's a player available every free agency. I'm saying show me. Use past examples. I won't wait.. Van Riemsdyk Neal Lee Zuccarello Nyquist Johansson Radulov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, Maketherightmove said: With the value Benning gets in trades he’ll have to give up a 2nd to offload Tanev to a contender and take a nice 3rd liner back. Yaddayaddayadda the sky is falling, I dont know ****,blah,blah,blah That's all I hear when these types of fans post. Edited June 22, 2019 by CanuckGAME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Because when most of our young core is in their prime Miller will be over 30 and probably closer to his mid 30's. Miller has been bad in the Playoffs. He has 3 goals in over 60 playoff games on some good teams. The thing is, we could've just said no to this deal. There was no mystical force saying that the Canucks absolutely had to acquire Miller or else. It's not that hard and Miller is not a good enough piece back to warrant giving up our 1st. Did you watch the playoffs? Teams win with players that range from 25-30's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Starting next season when Hughes is an NHL player we won't. I feel like this is a silly argument. Because one of our young guns is going to play in the bigs or prospect pool is worse? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said: those trades dont compare, we took a player who didnt fit with tampa and had a 5m cap hit they wanted to shed, that should have easily lowered the price to NOT have a 1st round pick involved Lol couldn't fit in. Hilarious. The expiring Brayden Point contract and them needing 2 more players is why Miller was moved not because “he couldn't fit in.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Lock Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, CanadianRugby said: Van Riemsdyk Neal Lee Zuccarello Nyquist Johansson Radulov Let's just forget that there's 30 other teams and that we're not just going to get these players in FA even if we tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeback_Kings Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: I know. It's Baertschi for a 2nd, and Granlund for Shinkaruk all over again right? Decent trades. Canucks fwd group looks deep right now especially with the addition of Miller and late season acquisition Pearson. Leivo or Baertschi or other winger going to take spots in the fwd group from Miller, no way. Canucks have solid futures, great two picks this year, really point out to the mix of skill and determination fwd identity Canucks are building 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, CanuckGAME said: Yaddayaddayadda the sky is falling, I dont know ****,blah,blah,blah That's all I hear when these types of fans post. Rose rose rose JB is god, we don’t need picks, first round playoff exits are what we build for.... two can play your stupid little little game son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Alright. Hey, if you’re right then Benning will be long gone. There’s that bright side to look forward to! I trash Benning but I hope I'm wrong and he succeeds. I always think the Canucks should do this or that.. but I have no idea how to clean up the mess if this team is still bad in 2 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Comeback_Kings said: Decent trades. Canucks fwd group looks deep right now especially with the addition of Miller and late season acquisition Pearson. Leivo or Baertschi or other winger going to take spots in the fwd group from Miller, no way. Canucks have solid futures, great two picks this year, really point out to the mix of skill and determination fwd identity Canucks are building Deep with mid-level talent. There’s not many top 6 forward groups that are thinner than the Canucks unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Dun Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 OMG trading a first and third pick for a utility winger who has only scored over 20 goals once???? Benning has got to go !!!!Don't let him at the Free Agents we already have to many overpaid unproductive ones he has signed previously. The owners should be ashamed letting this idiot run The Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, CanadianRugby said: I trash Benning but I hope I'm wrong and he succeeds. I always think the Canucks should do this or that.. but I have no idea how to clean up the mess if this team is still bad in 2 years. Oh easy, scorch earth everything. We can get a whole boatload of picks trading Horvat, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, and Pettersson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, appleboy said: All the BS that the owner tried to sell about not mortgaging the future was just that. BS benning has an agenda to make the playoffs or he will be gone. God forbid they intend to make the playoffs at this point. They have EP, Boeser, Horvat - core players up front - with Virtanen - Podkolzin, Gaudette, and a range of other good prospects in the system. They have an elite young pmd Hughes, Juolevi on the way, good supporting veteran and young pieces like Edler, Tanev, Stecher - Tryamkin likely returning in due course. Markstrom, Demko, DiPietro. And they have some excellent hard minutes veterans - Sutter, Beagle - and young two way forwardst - to help enable the top ends of their roster. I think you folks going on about 'mortgaging' the future - are really over-reacting. They need a piece or two in the present - clearly need a heavy RHD to add to the mix - but they are anything but spending themselves out of a future. The future is rich with young talent. They don't need volumes of picks moving forward - they just need to hit on average moving forward and they will be more than fine. Moving one 1st round pick to find an excellent complement to your Calder winner and one of the best young snipers in team history - if you people find that unreasonable, perhaps you don't realize that this isn't a bank account that you're saving for retirement - there is a point at which you use a bit of that wallet to buy what you need in the near future. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFerguson Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: I'm still expecting a trade for a defenseman. The Barrie deal could still happen, but if fans didn't like giving up a 1st, I'm guessing they're not gonna like giving up guys like Virtanen, Gaudette, DiPietro, and Woo. A deal involving Stecher, Sutter, a top prospect, and a 2nd could still happen. I think we're in a moment where player for player deals--even with a player like Virtanen--sting less for fans than high pick for player deals. Over the last 5 or so years the draft has been the best part of the year. And the only real time Canuck fans feel like we're in it. Trading a first rounder is a signal that mngmt is trying to steer us back into contention but some aren't ready to let go of the infinite (mostly imaginary) hope the first round offers. That's my take on some of the vitriolic backlash we're seeing today. The reality is any first rounder would be considered a success if he managed to turn into a JT Miller. So we gave up the chance to draft a JT Miller for JT Miller entering his prime. Would I have preferred not give up the first? Hell yeah. ...because the first round of the draft has become one of my favourite parts of the year. Hoping JB can recoup a first this off season or next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: those trades dont compare, we took a player who didnt fit with tampa and had a 5m cap hit they wanted to shed, that should have easily lowered the price to NOT have a 1st round pick involved Who said he wasn't a fit? They weren't in a position of desperation like some people are trying to portray. They had many options to get under the cap. This was the best deal for them because it was a fair trade for both sides. How would you feel about giving up a 50+ point 26 year old former first rounder in his prime for less than a 1st? It wasn't that long ago that fans thought we could get a 1st for Tanev and Miller has way more value. Gotta give some to get some, that's what Canucks fans need to be reminded of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Lock said: So you're just going to expect the worst? Is that what I'm reading here? We'll have to agree to disagree on this but I get that some people can't stomach gutsy moves. I said "if" so I don't think that's an expectation. Also I'm replying to a worst case scenario that YOU presented not me. So I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Also I like gutsy moves, I don't like garbage trades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheRussianRocket1994 Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) I’ve been a Canucks fan since 1988. I’ve spent years & years reading this forum, but never posting on this forum. This is the first time. While I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their opinion and are entitled to criticize things this organization does, I’m extremely tired of the constant negativity / ignorance from the sports media and a large portion of the fan base. I feel like they’re looking for perfection across the organization and even if that was the case (which is impossible), the negativity / ignorance would still happen. Even the best organizations, GM’s, coaches, players etc are not perfect. There’s ups and downs and there’s wins and loses in every aspect of the organization. I hope that Miller and the team kill it next year and shove it down everyone’s throats...for Jims sake, for Travis sake, for the players sake, for the teams sake and mostly for the fans sake...especially the fans that deserve it most! There’s a huge difference between being knowledgeable (understanding) / positive feedback (criticism) and constant negativity / ignorance! Onwards and upwards!!! Edited June 22, 2019 by IRR 4 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said: they definitely have some talented scouts and management down in Tampa. Dont see us getting much from our picks other than a few top lotto selections that should be no brainer quality NHL players, even then Jake isnt fitting the bill for his selection and I can only hope he gets a proper shot to play top 6. 3rd liner is not what you want when draft a winger 6th overall! OJ, well lets hope he can stay healthy should be a serviceable D hopefully in the near future. You need a home run player if your taking a W early in the 1st, D and C are so much more valuable and harder to trade for if and when you need one...see the JT miller trade, a team looking for cap relief still managed to get a 1st for him. 1st should never have been on the table imo Life goes on, just please no Tyler Myers signing at a cap hit north of 6m for 5yrs or more... Yup. Tampa Bay is such a well run organization. They've had a good sense of direction for years, they drafted, they stockpiled assets, and when their franchise players were ready to carry them they were able to spend those assets adding around them. (Like the McDonagh/Miller deal). They've also been able to maintain assets, not letting assets die on the vine like other teams have (wink, wink). They moved Brett Connolly for two 2nds, they traded Anthony DeAngelo for a 2nd, they got Erik Cernak & picks for Bishop, now they are getting a 1st for Miller. This is a team that drafts well outside the 1st round & maximizes value on there assets. Thats the organization we should strive to be like. As for Myers, I'm expecting a full court press from the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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