ilduce39 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said: Yup. Tampa Bay is such a well run organization. It’s easy to look good when you have a 100+ point guy develop from a 2nd rounder and a 92 point guy develop from a 3rd rounder. Win a couple top-3 picks for Stamkos, Drouin and Hedman... and benefit from having no tax on contracts to circumvent the cap. Yep they’ve made nice moves but they’ve been damn fortunate too. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said: right cause they signed him for over 5m to be a top 6 guy then got passed by younger cheaper contract players and was on the 4th line during the year. Tampa just has a wealth of offensive talent, hasn't led them to a cup tho. Surprised they didnt ask for Tanev retained, guess they want the picks to continue to find gem players that can play on the elc and be effective for them He was on the 3rd line and Tampa drafts and develops very well, there is a reason they have stayed competitive for about a decade now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, appleboy said: It should be about building an organization that can win the Cup. Aquaman said making the playoffs was not that important. He said he wanted to see an organization that would always be competing. He made it clear that they would not sell the future for a short term fix. Then they do this. Do you think that Miller makes us a playoff team? Do you thing that this defense will take us anywhere close to the playoffs? I could have rationalized the Barrie rumor but not this. Miller makes us significantly better in the top 6. Hes an amazing addition. I'm as unhappy about trading the 1st as anybody. But I think we have our core set. Now we have to fill out around them. Our D needs an absolute ****load of work though. I definitely agree with you there. Edited June 22, 2019 by CanuckGAME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, stawns said: Did you watch the playoffs? Teams win with players that range from 25-30's I think that's the point people have a problem with. The Canucks aren't a playoff team and by the time our core is ready for primetime, Miller will have played out his deal and not even be a Canuck anyway. So what's the point of this deal when draft picks are the currency in today's NHL and 1st rounders in particular are gold and usually not handed out unless they're part of a deal the brings back a very good player, high pick and/or prospect/or cap relief. To trade our 1st round pick for a middle 6 forward imo, especially for a team still rebuilding it's higher end prospect pool, is something I just can't get my head around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: right cause they signed him for over 5m to be a top 6 guy then got passed by younger cheaper contract players and was on the 4th line during the year. Tampa just has a wealth of offensive talent, hasn't led them to a cup tho. Surprised they didnt ask for Tanev retained, guess they want the picks to continue to find gem players that can play on the elc and be effective for them Putting up 50 points on the 4th line is even more impressive. He could put up 60-70 here alongside Pettersson and Boes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn_Jet Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, mpt said: If its a late 1st, no biggie, no clear evidence that our pick will be anywhere near there. We aren’t like the Penguins where you can assume a playoff spot. We could easily be a top 10 pick as much as a 20-31 pick. Likely in the 10-16 realm. The bigger problem is, do you really think in the next two years we couldn’t fetch a player better than Miller with a 1st round pick involved. We now have to hold onto a 1st round pick due to the condition in this trade. If you think Miller is the best player that we can acquire in the next two years that needs a 1st rounder to acquire, then go ahead and make the trade. This trade doesn’t seem like very good asset management to me. List of 1st round picks that have been traded over last few years. 2014: TBL trade Martin St Louis to NYR for 1st, Ryan Callahan and conditional 2nd. Buf trades Vanek to NYI for 1st, 2nd, Matt Moulson. Buf trades Ryan Miller, Steve Ott to Stl for 1st, conditional 3rd, Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier. 2015: Philly trades Brayden Coburn to TBL for Radko Gudus, 1st, conditional 3rd. 2016: Chi trades Andrew Ladd, Jay Harrison, Matt Fraser to Wpg for 1st, conditional 3rd, Marko Dano. 2017: Arizona trades Martin Hanzal, Ryan White, 4th to Min for 1st, 2nd, a conditional pick, Grayson Downing. Stl trades Kevin Shattenkirk, Phoenix Copley to Wsh for 1st, conditional 2nd, Zach Sanford, Brad Malone. Compared to these trades, I would argue we got good value for our 1st (as long as it's not a top 10 pick). Most of the players in these trades were leaving or outright out of their prime years, trending downward or on expiring contracts. We get a player in his prime, locked into a reasonable contract for the next 4 years (If you don't think it's reasonable, just wait til FA hits and you see the contracts being given out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Thats the organization we should strive to be like. As for Myers, I'm expecting a full court press from the Canucks. We should but we arent and Myers is a 2nd pair D, not worthy of a long term commitment too with a high cap hit. He literally was Winnipegs 3rd pair RHD behind Buff and Trouba. Got my fingers crossed Winnipeg will try and keep him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, appleboy said: We have a bunch of RFA's who won't be qualified. They have no value. Then they will sign with other teams as depth. RFAs yes but man there's Baer, Loui, Sutter, Spooner so much badness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Meh not super excited and not super upset, but that 1st is the only thing that worries me a bit, that's all. I guess the plan is to miss the playoffs for a couple more years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Exact same thing could be said about trying to trade for a good player. Jesus. Yeah, and we happened to be the team that beat out others potentialyl getting Miller this time. It's called being realistic. There's a competition out there. It's what drives the market. Edited June 22, 2019 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeback_Kings Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: Deep with mid-level talent. There’s not many top 6 forward groups that are thinner than the Canucks unfortunately. So Miller really helps with that problem then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Give Tampa a 4th and Lukas Jasek. Anything else is overpayment. Remember that Tampa is in cap hell apparently. Stop pretending like this was a good deal. JB overpaid like he does most times and he did to a team that was in cap trouble yet we even added a sweetener with a 3rd. Makes no sense and this trade has a lot of blow-back potential. Even This is a really stupid trade and leap of faith to make. It’s a productive 2nd liner we’re talking about who disappears in the playoffs. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Maketherightmove said: Miller is fine but you should be using first round picks for top end talent or to improve the very poor D corps. That top 6 is still really void of top end talent outside of petty and Brock. Bo is a heart and soul stud 2nd line centre the the rest of the players are role guys. I’d challenge you to find 3 worse top 6 groups in the league. Miller will play with Brock and Pettersson so they used a first to add to their first line. Miller will fit in well as a heavier player that can battle on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: those trades dont compare, we took a player who didnt fit with tampa and had a 5m cap hit they wanted to shed, that should have easily lowered the price to NOT have a 1st round pick involved Again, his cap hit is reasonable for what he brings. Cap strapped or not you'll get value when trading a good player with a decent cap hit. Every team with cap space is willing to trade for that kind of player and there was no ntc to limit trade partners. Meaning there's competition to make a deal. You're not going to take a beating on a trade in that situation regardless of your cap situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I would have rather done the Marleau deal to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris12345 said: RFAs yes but man there's Baer, Loui, Sutter, Spooner so much badness. dont forget Schaller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ilduce39 said: Maybe the team just got better skill, leadership and toughness wise and fans shouldn’t dwell too much on the 2022 version of the team that 1st round pick is most likely to impact, if at all. Or do. Whatever. yeah - one of the most repeated criticisms of this team over the years - was the list of linemates the Sedins played with over their career. Well - this team has an Elias Pettersson and Brock Boeser - and clearly wanted/needed to enhance their conditions and success - while not necessarily waiting for a 2020 or 2021 draft pick to do so. Miller brings the speed, heaviness, hard areas, defensive support, forecheck with upside - that they clearly needed. I love the guys that have been placeholding - like Leivo, but this is a significant upgrade in the lineup, at the most vital 1LW position. I think it's entirely reasonable - given they used their 10th overall this year, and protected next year's pick. If they remain a lottery pick team in 2021, then clearly the build has not lived up to expectations - and we can complain about the failures at that point. I'm all for proceeding cautiously, conservatively, but I'm also in favour of calculated risks that bring in precisely the type of asset that is needed, at a reasonable cost, with term and mid range cap, just entering his prime. If there's a risk worth taking, this type falls right in that category. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Baggins said: Again, his cap hit is reasonable for what he brings. Cap strapped or not you'll get value when trading a good player with a decent cap hit. Every team with cap space is willing to trade for that kind of player and there was no ntc to limit trade partners. Meaning there's competition to make a deal. You're not going to take a beating on a trade in that situation regardless of your cap situation. I like him as a player I just dont think we needed to give in and offer a 1st thats all. But like 1 or more posters have said Miller at his cap hit >>>>Hayes at 7yrs and what 7m per haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Chris12345 said: I would have rather done the Marleau deal to be honest. This would have been an easier pill to swallow if we did both the Marleau trade and the Miller trade, trade Torontos 1st for Miller... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Comeback_Kings said: So Miller really helps with that problem then. You think he’s top end talent? To each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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