WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Exactly. It’s one of those gentleman agreements. We will never know the details because it would be bad for the team. What exactly is Luongo doing in FLA now to earn the 3 million he gave up to retire? He's not making 3 mill. He's likely making around 250k to 350k for being advisor to Tallon. Average salary for his position with team. Panthers also taking 1mill per year cap recapture penalty for 3 years on Luongo contract He'll have a lifetime job with the Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I think it’s going to take, taking on a bad contract to get a Baertschi trade done. I see him being a decent fit with the Islanders. would you take on Hickey to trade Baertschi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, mll said: You have to look at it from a Canucks' cap standpoint. Pettersson and Hughes look well on their way to get at least 1.7M combined in bonuses and Canucks so far only have 30K to cover them at the end of this season - which creates an overage that will count against the cap next season. Ferland eventually coming off LTIR would help but they've just not banked any cap space so far and LTIR isn't allowing them to. A buyout has that additional 800K that 2nd year. So 50% retained would be the more favourable option - it saves also money over burying him. The earlier they move him - they can possibly start banking cap space to cover those bonuses. Would you trade for Baer at 50% retained and pay him almost 3 mill over next 2 years to play in the minors? Which owner would allow their gm to make a move like that .. Baer is 1 hit away from not playing again.. he's timid and soft .. can't play anymore in the NHL... No owner wants that type of contract even at 50% retained.. waste of 3 mill. Bad contract for bad contract. Other team has a problem and their gm looks bad just like us. So trade for each other's problem. Give the player a few games to see if he fits somewhere and ship him down.. Just like Gagner Spooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: He's not making 3 mill. He's likely making around 250k to 350k for being advisor to Tallon. Average salary for his position with team. Panthers also taking 1mill per year cap recapture penalty for 3 years on Luongo contract He'll have a lifetime job with the Panthers. Is Luongo’s new job’s salary public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 JB should take a look at Toffoli.. he's a good player stuck on a bad team.. UFA at end of year. Reunite him with Pearson. They were great together with Carter in LA Pearson Horvat Toffoli could be a very good line. Gotta move some cap out to make a move though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is Luongo’s new job’s salary public? JB contacted the league. If his salary is in line with league average for that position then it's above board. What's with constant victim playing by some people on this board. Always crying about how Canucks getting screwed. Every game by the refs.. or by the league or by other teams or by ex Canucks. Bunch of victims seem to be all signed up to CDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, WHL rocks said: JB contacted the league. If his salary is in line with league average for that position then it's above board. What's with constant victim playing by some people on this board. Always crying about how Canucks getting screwed. Every game by the refs.. or by the league or by other teams or by ex Canucks. Bunch of victims seem to be all signed up to CDC You missed the draft lotto being fixed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: JB should take a look at Toffoli.. he's a good player stuck on a bad team.. UFA at end of year. Reunite him with Pearson. They were great together with Carter in LA Pearson Horvat Toffoli could be a very good line. Gotta move some cap out to make a move though. I’d like to see Toffoli in a Canucks uniform. 100%. You almost have to trade away another roster player though wouldn’t you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Devron44 said: I’d like to see Toffoli in a Canucks uniform. 100%. You almost have to trade away another roster player though wouldn’t you think Yes you would have to otherwise cap won't work. All depends on what JB would be willing to give up. If he adds a decent prospect LA might take Lievo and Baer. Even up cap out cap in. All depends on what value JB puts on the player.. would he be willing to move Madden for Toffoli and Baer's cap dump ?. LA might bite on that. Baer's health issues scare teams so he's not going to be easy to move. But adding a good prospect will get it done. Edited December 17, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 4:13 PM, Provost said: The only point Baertschi’s agent has is that he outplayed Eriksson (As did everyone), and one of them got waived and the other didn’t. The team brass loses a lot of “merit” credibility every day Eriksson is on the roster. ... but you can’t complain too much when you get waived and no one wants you. Ouch... the last line... THAT’S JB saying exactly that. Work it out and be grateful. All teams have their logistical problems to deal with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, WHL rocks said: JB contacted the league. If his salary is in line with league average for that position then it's above board. What's with constant victim playing by some people on this board. Always crying about how Canucks getting screwed. Every game by the refs.. or by the league or by other teams or by ex Canucks. Bunch of victims seem to be all signed up to CDC It all started with losing out on the 1st overall to Buffalo. Edited December 17, 2019 by smokes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It's sad that a player gets blindsided and is now out of the NHL because of it. The bottom line is that Sven is a top-6 NHLer.... but just 1 potentially bad hit away from not just ending his career, but impacting his quality of life going forward. Horvat is struggling offensively and we have a player who he has chemistry with... but due to salary cap reasons, potential injuries, etc... the Canucks can't utilize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Would you trade for Baer at 50% retained and pay him almost 3 mill over next 2 years to play in the minors? Which owner would allow their gm to make a move like that .. Baer is 1 hit away from not playing again.. he's timid and soft .. can't play anymore in the NHL... No owner wants that type of contract even at 50% retained.. waste of 3 mill. Bad contract for bad contract. Other team has a problem and their gm looks bad just like us. So trade for each other's problem. Give the player a few games to see if he fits somewhere and ship him down.. Just like Gagner Spooner. Love your confidence and how you are posting your opinion as if it is fact. Except in reality this is what they say about Jeff Skinner and a myraid of other soft skilled guys, but Skinner goes on to score 40 goals in a season. So your points of Baertschi being soft, can't play in the NHL anymore is just your opinion. The fact is Baertschi is NHL calibre player; around 0.50 ppg. If he doesn't fit here, fine. Don't slander him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I mean lets get one thing straight. Baertschi is not Skinner by any stretch of the imagination. Comparing the two is doing Skinner a pretty big disservice. The big similarity is they've both had concussions....just like dozens of other players in the NHL who still perform at a high level. Unfortunately, Sven does not perform at a level that warrants his contract, that is why he's cleared waivers twice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Industrious1 said: I mean lets get one thing straight. Baertschi is not Skinner by any stretch of the imagination. Comparing the two is doing Skinner a pretty big disservice. The big similarity is they've both had concussions....just like dozens of other players in the NHL who still perform at a high level. Unfortunately, Sven does not perform at a level that warrants his contract, that is why he's cleared waivers twice. Why did we put Baer on waivers when he didn’t need to be? Was JB hoping a team would claim him? Was it a request by Baer, because he thought (or his agent told him) another team would claim him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Industrious1 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 Pretty sure it was done as a message from Canucks management to Sven's agent. At least that is my take on it. Could be wrong, but those are the optics. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why did we put Baer on waivers when he didn’t need to be? Was JB hoping a team would claim him? Was it a request by Baer, because he thought (or his agent told him) another team would claim him? JB wants another top six forward and at this point would surely take a bag of pucks to clear Bears cap space to help with that. For Bear and his agent, the only way out of this is for him to keep putting up points and staying healthy. In time if he's still racking up the points and stayed out of the infirmary for a season or so another opportunity will come knocking - both on the Canucks and/or possibly from a team interested in him. JB hasn't done him a disservice - obviously he'd trade him if he could (clear up cap) and obviously nobodies interested (cleared waivers twice). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Drakrami said: Love your confidence and how you are posting your opinion as if it is fact. Except in reality this is what they say about Jeff Skinner and a myraid of other soft skilled guys, but Skinner goes on to score 40 goals in a season. So your points of Baertschi being soft, can't play in the NHL anymore is just your opinion. The fact is Baertschi is NHL calibre player; around 0.50 ppg. If he doesn't fit here, fine. Don't slander him. I agree with what you say about small players not all being soft but using skinner doesn't help you much cause he plays in the east and everyone knows it's easier for small skill guys to play in the east or history has shown smaller players have more success in the east then the west. Only way smaller players succeed in the west is like Johnny hockey and flury and they both played on a team that protects or protected them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Why did we put Baer on waivers when he didn’t need to be? Was JB hoping a team would claim him? Was it a request by Baer, because he thought (or his agent told him) another team would claim him? His agent came out publicly when JB has been trying to trade him for some time now, it was probably to prove a point that no body wants him not even for free also so JB can say “see!? Put that in your pipe and smoke it “ 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 16 hours ago, WHL rocks said: JB contacted the league. If his salary is in line with league average for that position then it's above board. What's with constant victim playing by some people on this board. Always crying about how Canucks getting screwed. Every game by the refs.. or by the league or by other teams or by ex Canucks. Bunch of victims seem to be all signed up to CDC it's beyond pathetic. I can barely stomach this place anymore and don't go into gdt at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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