Johnny Torts Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Oh my God could you imagine... We kind of, sort of, do have the assets for it. Love Brock though but oh my goodness. Easily the best blue line in the league. Cap wise we'd be &^@#ed I think but what do I know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FireGillis Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Dude, your Brock takes are just awful. Brock probably stole his gf or something because he has an irrational hate for him since like forever. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, FireGillis said: Brock probably stole his gf or something because he has an irrational hate for him since like forever. Glad people are finally catching onto this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, FireGillis said: The cap hit is scary. Petey and Hughes are due for 10m+ each unless they take home town discounts. The only kids that got those contracts were from Toronto cause Dubas is synonymous with dumbass, McJesus and Eichel deserve their 10mil+ cause they carry their franchises on their backs. Matthew Tkachuk got 7mil, Sebastian Aho got 8.5m and Leon Draisaitl got 8.5m. Aaron Ekblad and Thomas Chabot got 7.5m and 8m respectively. Those should be the real numbers for Petey and Hughes, and some of those players are on Canadian teams so don't give me that lower tax nonsense. Not those bloated messes of contracts Toronto handed out. Rantanen is a bit high as well at 9.25m, but that's likely as high as I can see Petey getting. Hughes if we're smart is at or slightly above the Chabot contract (8milx8 years). If we're being honest the Hughes and Pettersson contracts should be in the 8-9m range, on long term deals. Could maybe argue for Petey to get closer to 9.5m if he hits 80+ points 30+ goals like Rantanen has done before he signed his contract. He hit those totals in back to back seasons before signing his deal. I really don't see our kids getting 10+ mil. Even Kucherov didn't get that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuck73_3 Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, FireGillis said: Brock probably stole his gf or something because he has an irrational hate for him since like forever. Weird how regression looks like consistent point totals and improved defensive play and +/- numbers 2 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, stawns said: Demko, agreed, but what makes Boeser untouchable? Whoever said or suggested he was? Nobody save Hughes and EP are untouchable, save for overpayment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: The only kids that got those contracts were from Toronto cause Dubas is synonymous with dumbass, McJesus and Eichel deserve their 10mil+ cause they carry their franchises on their backs. Matthew Tkachuk got 7mil, Sebastian Aho got 8.5m and Leon Draisaitl got 8.5m. Aaron Ekblad and Thomas Chabot got 7.5m and 8m respectively. Those should be the real numbers for Petey and Hughes, and some of those players are on Canadian teams so don't give me that lower tax nonsense. Not those bloated messes of contracts Toronto handed out. Rantanen is a bit high as well at 9.25m, but that's likely as high as I can see Petey getting. Hughes if we're smart is at or slightly above the Chabot contract (8milx8 years). If we're being honest the Hughes and Pettersson contracts should be in the 8-9m range, on long term deals. Could maybe argue for Petey to get closer to 9.5m if he hits 80+ points 30+ goals like Rantanen has done before he signed his contract. He hit those totals in back to back seasons before signing his deal. I really don't see our kids getting 10+ mil. Even Kucherov didn't get that. Hard to make a case for Petey to make more than Draisaitl if we're being honest $20mil+ for both Petey and Hughes is a stretch at best probably will be more accurately around 15-17 for both. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: The only kids that got those contracts were from Toronto cause Dubas is synonymous with dumbass, McJesus and Eichel deserve their 10mil+ cause they carry their franchises on their backs. Matthew Tkachuk got 7mil, Sebastian Aho got 8.5m and Leon Draisaitl got 8.5m. Aaron Ekblad and Thomas Chabot got 7.5m and 8m respectively. Those should be the real numbers for Petey and Hughes, and some of those players are on Canadian teams so don't give me that lower tax nonsense. Not those bloated messes of contracts Toronto handed out. Rantanen is a bit high as well at 9.25m, but that's likely as high as I can see Petey getting. Hughes if we're smart is at or slightly above the Chabot contract (8milx8 years). If we're being honest the Hughes and Pettersson contracts should be in the 8-9m range, on long term deals. Could maybe argue for Petey to get closer to 9.5m if he hits 80+ points 30+ goals like Rantanen has done before he signed his contract. He hit those totals in back to back seasons before signing his deal. I really don't see our kids getting 10+ mil. Even Kucherov didn't get that. I think Petey is better than Eichel. For all of his points, Buffalo is still a tire fire with Eichel. Vancouver was similar to Buffalo, but Petey and Hughes instantly changed them and have made the canucks winners now. They're both more valuable than Eichel to me. I do think they're our Matthews/Marner, so anything less than those contracts, I would consider a home town discount. I think Montreal screwed up with that lowball contract to Aho, which Carolina didn't think twice about matching. I think Aho undersold himself accepting that offer sheet and should have gotten a bigger contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Weird how regression looks like consistent point totals and improved defensive play and +/- numbers As annoying as the constant Boeser trade proposals are, it does speak to the fact that most people on this board do realize that a young, top 6 forward on a good contract has a ton of value. He may not be the best player on the team, but he's still a damn good hockey player. It sucks that he seems to have lost that wicked wrist shot he had in his rookie season, but it speaks to the quality of player he is that he's still able to consistently net points despite the setbacks his injury cause. He's also become quite strong on the puck, which again, is a testament to the quality of player he is. People can say "So and so would net just as many points if they had they same opportunity", and yet nobody has. Toff had one really good game in the playoffs and was invisible the rest of the time and Virtanen has been about as consistent as most politicians are honest. Either $&!# or get off the pot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Hard to make a case for Petey to make more than Draisaitl if we're being honest $20mil+ for both Petey and Hughes is a stretch at best probably will be more accurately around 15-17 for both. You can't use the draisaitl contract as a comparable. At the time people thought it was an overpayment and now he outplayed that contract, so he's underpaid now. It would be like saying Petey shouldn't make more than Mackinnon. Contracts like that aren't comparable for players today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahma Bull Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 OEL, time to come down and get a free night stay at the Smackdown Hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said: We kind of, sort of, do have the assets for it. Love Brock though but oh my goodness. Easily the best blue line in the league. Cap wise we'd be &^@#ed I think but what do I know it could work if we trade Myers as part of the package... Boeser + Myers + for Ekblad + Tippett Florida gets a Hoffman replacement in Boeser and Myers can be like a low budget Ekblad lol. -- Eriksson + Virtanen + Juolevi + Stecher (rights) for OEL Miller - Pettersson - Podkolzin Hoglander - Horvat - Toffolli Pearson - Gaudette - Motte Lockwood - Beagle - MacEwen Hughes - Ekblad <-- elite Edler - Ekman-Larsson <-- shutdown pair Rathbone - Rafferty <-- puck moving bottom pairing Demko Talbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 If I am JB, I'd be giving Arizona an ultimatum, 'take our offer on the table before end of day today or don't bother calling me back'. This hold up is getting ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said: Boeser + for Ekblad... JV OJ LE + for OEL... hmmmm................ Keep Boeser/ sign Pietrangelo 21 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Oh my God could you imagine... Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Tofu Roussel Gaudette Macewan Motte Beagle Sutter Hughes Pietrangelo Edler OEL Dhillion Myers Benn Rafferty Demko Lundqvist Ka-Sploosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, FireGillis said: You can't use the draisaitl contract as a comparable. At the time people thought it was an overpayment and now he outplayed that contract, so he's underpaid now. It would be like saying Petey shouldn't make more than Mackinnon. Contracts like that aren't comparable for players today. Draisaitl has never been considered an overpayment what are you on about? He was nearly a ppg player on an awful team in year one and followed with 105 points in year 2 of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Draisaitl has never been considered an overpayment what are you on about? He was nearly a ppg player on an awful team in year one and followed with 105 points in year 2 of the deal. Huh? Are you forgetting the narrative around that contract? It was widely considered an overpayment and people thought draisaitl took Chiarelli to the cleaners. https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/leon-draisaitl-contract-blasted-as-an-overpay-says-tsns-ray-ferraro-hmm https://sports.yahoo.com/leon-draisaitl-deal-another-overpayment-oilers-gm-potentially-good-one-191357845.html https://theathletic.com/102171/2017/09/14/willis-david-pastrnaks-new-deal-makes-it-clear-the-oilers-overpaid-leon-draisaitl?source=user-shared-article Edited October 4, 2020 by FireGillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, FireGillis said: Huh? Are you forgetting the narrative around that contract? It was widely considered an overpayment and people thought draisaitl took Chiarelli to the cleaners. https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/leon-draisaitl-contract-blasted-as-an-overpay-says-tsns-ray-ferraro-hmm Lol Ferraro has never overreacted about anything. And wrong again as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Devron44 said: Its what makes sense Only if you believe they value Demko far more than Markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: If I am JB, I'd be giving Arizona an ultimatum, 'take our offer on the table before end of day today or don't bother calling me back'. This hold up is getting ridiculous. Exactly how i feel...too much other stuff to worry about. As much as i'd like to see him cone here with the right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said: Boeser + for Ekblad... JV OJ LE + for OEL... hmmmm................ Haha that would be amazing. No chance but imagine if it was possible. Top four of: Ekman-Larsson Ekblad (EK^2) Hughes Myers it would be laughably good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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