bishopshodan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Ilunga said: Heard about this guy called David Goggins. Read his autobiography You Can't Hurt Me. He went through the Navy seal training program a few times before he passed and them became a ultra marathon runner. He did all of this before he discovered he had a hole in his heart. I would recommend his book to anyone who wants to be inspired. He doesn't talk about his service apart from his training. Goggins is unreal. Reminds me of that dude that has figured/worked at that we can exist in extreme cold. Theyre tapping into old school human abilities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: Goggins is unreal. Reminds me of that dude that has figured/worked at that we can exist in extreme cold. Theyre tapping into old school human abilities. You know my feelings/knowledge on this subject my friend. The power of the mind/self belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Trust me man it’s true, just go find the link I made up on your own dude. /sarcasm Like dude trust me it's on the internet dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: It’s been proven that getting Covid provides you with much stronger antibodies than the vaccine. Has it? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/natural-immunity-covid-19/ " n any event, as summarized here (although I really do wish that the doctors who had written this had used the term “post-infection immunity” rather than “natural immunity”), there are a number of issues with post-infection immunity that make vaccination, even after recovery from COVID-19, desirable, including that: More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies “Natural immunity” fades faster than vaccine immunity, particularly after mild infection “Natural immunity alone” is only half as effective as natural immunity plus vaccination https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/11/01/vaccine-protection Unvaccinated people who previously had Covid-19 are significantly more likely to test positive for the disease again than fully vaccinated people who have never had Covid-19, according to a recent CDC study published in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, KKnight said: Keep defending them. They love it. Just take the shots and ask no questions. Them ? They ? Classic conspiracy theory vernacular. I am reasonably certain the people you are having a discussion with have asked questions/ done their research as have I. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: You obviously never heard of Operation Warp Speed. One of the good things TRUMP did. Unlike you, I can provide the goods. Here is the Phase 3 trial for Moderna from the New England Journal of Medicine. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389 That how this works. Your move It's amazing how these guys are basically doctors on one hand but yet they can't understand how a vaccine can be trialed safely in these chaotic circumstances, or understand the journal articles that explain it. But they can sure argue against it and throw out mindless tweets in justification. Edited January 9, 2022 by Gawdzukes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Heard about this guy called David Goggins. Read his autobiography You Can't Hurt Me. He went through the Navy seal training program a few times before he passed and them became a ultra marathon runner. He did all of this before he discovered he had a hole in his heart. I would recommend his book to anyone who wants to be inspired. He doesn't talk about his service apart from his training. He's a favourite of Joe Rogan. Seems like a pretty intense dude but certainly inspirational. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Here is a fun question for you all. If someone gets covid, and not this weak ass omicron garbage, but the OG or Delta….. Does that person have to get the vaccine, and should they need to provide a vax passport? It’s been proven that getting Covid provides you with much stronger antibodies than the vaccine. So if that person isn’t worried about getting it again, should they be required too? Should that count and you get a “antibody passport”? From what I've read, the natural immunity isn't as long lasting as the vaccine immunity. The vaccines also lose effectiveness over time though. There have been many reported cases of people getting covid twice which would indicate that natural immunity is still not sufficient to prevent additional infections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Here is a fun question for you all. If someone gets covid, and not this weak ass omicron garbage, but the OG or Delta….. Does that person have to get the vaccine, and should they need to provide a vax passport? It’s been proven that getting Covid provides you with much stronger antibodies than the vaccine. So if that person isn’t worried about getting it again, should they be required too? Should that count and you get a “antibody passport”? First off, I would need to see the proof that getting Covid provides a person with stronger antibodies than any of the vaccines. Second, does one maintain that level of antibodies or does it fade over time like it does with vaccines? Third, what of new variants? Does said person with Covid antibodies still have resistance to a new variant? If the answer to all of these questions is 'yes' then I don't see why not. They may have to take an antibody test now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Goggins is unreal. Reminds me of that dude that has figured/worked at that we can exist in extreme cold. Theyre tapping into old school human abilities. Wim Hof is that dude. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, higgyfan said: First off, I would need to see the proof that getting Covid provides a person with stronger antibodies than any of the vaccines. Second, does one maintain that level of antibodies or does it fade over time like it does with vaccines? Third, what of new variants? Does said person with Covid antibodies still have resistance to a new variant? If the answer to all of these questions is 'yes' then I don't see why not. They may have to take an antibody test now and then. I resemble this/that remark in my many questions to a question post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: He's a favourite of Joe Rogan. Seems like a pretty intense dude but certainly inspirational. My " nickname" is intense Dave. I believe people like David and I give this impression because we are passionate and driven. Don't pay any attention to Joe Rogan. Don't know much about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: From what I've read, the natural immunity isn't as long lasting as the vaccine immunity. The vaccines also lose effectiveness over time though. There have been many reported cases of people getting covid twice which would indicate that natural immunity is still not sufficient to prevent additional infections. All the research I have done on this subject is that the vaccine gives longer and better protection than contracting the virus alone. This article provides some of the science that backs this up https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/9/14/which-offers-the-best-protection-a-covid-infection-or-vaccines A quick search of the net provides more research to back this up. Edited January 9, 2022 by Ilunga 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, JM_ said: OK thanks for the legit links. So first off, I need to tell you that I've been involved with medical device development for a long time and have a solid grasp of the issues here (drugs and devices have very similar processes). I have experience working with Health Canada on devices and combination products (devices that have a drug delivery component). So take that for what you will. We're just random internet people, but its true. The issue with Pfizer wasn't an ineffective drug, they were breaking the rules of how you market them. When something is marketed "off label" its for a use that the drug (or device, same rules there too) wasn't initially approved for. Its a pretty big deal, as the settlement showed. It would be like trying to sell a drug say intended for veterinary use as good for people - I'm not trying to crack a joke here, that would be grounds for legal action. Or Pfizer trying to promote Viagra as good for something like migraines when there wasn't a clinical trial to back it up. So yeah, its pretty creepy marketing. Its actually kind of surprising that they tried to get away with it. But this is a marketing issue, not a drug effectiveness issue. On the 75 year stuff, thats just their lawyers trying to lock up the info, which not surprisingly got kicked out by a judge. This kind of thing doesn't help when people have doubts, I can understand that. But you have to separate the marketing department from global clinical trial data, which would be incredibly hard to fake particularly now since the covid vaccines have been shown to be so effective in so many places. If you have any specific questions let me know, happy to try to explain the process as I have experience with it. No worries. Thank you. I like more reasonable level headed discussion rather than either side condescending and calling eachother names or the general passive aggressive digs we’ve seen society reduced to these last few years. I dropped out of pharmacy after my second practicum and 2nd year of schooling. And I think there is very good chemists and biologists working for these companies. A couple of things that surprised me out of the vaccines is that Merck or Bayer didn’t get involved in a big way as both were very reputable for many years. In fact Merck made the commonly used manuals used in school and in pharmacies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Ilunga said: Them ? They ? Classic conspiracy theory vernacular. I am reasonably certain the people you are having a discussion with have asked questions/ done their research as have I. So the truth comes out! You're a Stonecutter!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, bishopshodan said: Thats not a fun question at all.. I'll try. First, does weak ass omi not give you any anti bodies? Cant they get covid again? Has it been proven that covid provides better antibodies than the vax....for sure? Cause, I've go omi right now....should i bother about a booster? or will that make me super protected? There, I answered your questions with questions. My bad. But if they could establish and antibody passport I suppose that makes sense....then again, i dont love the passport idea. Apparently the research, much like everything in this pandemic, has been hit or miss. Ive read for like a year, getting Covid gives you stronger antibodies than the vax. That might not be accurate now. I dunno. I got the shots. Won’t be getting the booster. I got Omi during Xmas. It was fine. Wife was fine. Daughter had a cough for 3/4 days. All good since. I’m sure the vax helped us not get sicker. Daughter isn’t vaxed yet, she made it through perfectly fine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, bishopshodan said: So to be clear. You think that covid is more of a threat to a young healthy lives than the vaccine? Since 'everyone is going to get it' it makes sense to get the jab then? I brought up MMA because they never shut down and have covid numbers that compare to the soccer vaxxed claim, @100 (coaches and athletes) have been affected by covid in a bad way. This is a sport that also does not have as many people competing. You'd think you would have heard something if the vax was soo bad for the heart. It makes sense to get the jab. The risks from covid complications and/or death outweigh risk of myocarditis or other small side effects. In some groups that risk is higher, but probably not more than the risk from covid. In no way would I promote soccer heart attacks as proof the vax is a problem and contribute to anti-vax. Hope my position on that is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, JM_ said: gee, dunno. Go to Christmas dinner. Go sit on a bus. Go anywhere where they don't ask for vaccination proof. My one unvaccinated son got covid from his booster loaded in laws at Xmas dinner. They did rapid tests after dinner and found themselves testing positive. Smart. I imagine they did before as well and were negative I hope. No one could be that dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, JM_ said: But only real info please, not some tweet or some other unsubstantiated thing. Do you have a beef with twitter in general? There are a lot of good sources of information there on covid19. Do you believe all twitter sources for covid19 are BS? Even for hockey we respect the proper sources with blue checkmarks. With a further look, it usually isn't hard to tell what is legit or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, bishopshodan said: good point. any heart issues from the vax in hockey? When did Sutter get vaccinated. He was fine in August. Edited January 9, 2022 by Gatzkek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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