Alflives Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On the farm we vaccinated our herds. And we kept our stock safe from those that were unvaccinated. The controls in place to ensure safety were very tight. We didn’t even allow people to go into livestock barns unless they were working with the animals, and went through proper procedures. I just don’t think these antivaxxers realize the problems they stir up. Or they refuse to accept it. They are just a very selfish group who have extremely narrow views. They lack the empathetic view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Master Mind said: I was moreso referring to people in the thread and online in general, but yes them too. I never said ripping into healthcare workers was acceptable, so I'm not sure why you quoted me to point that out. Regardless. Antivaxxer views support these criminal behaviours. Look at the ignorant behaviours at the Ottawa protest! My goodness. How could any normal reasoning person support those kinds of things? And then add to that the actions of the leaders of that group. These are Nazis, and the worst kinds of persons. Yet, antivaxxers are so willfully ignorant, they ignore these facts and foolishly support these people. Maybe it’s just stupid people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Fig said: Vaxxer spread, unvaxxers spread. A failure. As for avoiding extreme illness, people have ways of doing that ... I know I do. By whining on a hockey forum?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Fig said: Hate to interrupt, but I'm going out for run, fellas. Great day out there. Be back later! Don't get hit by a car...or is that for only people who get vaccinated?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jack Fig said: People taking 'safe and effective' medical procedures and soon ending up dead. Pointing this out is childish and ignorant? Try concerning and factual. Save your drunk driver analogy, it makes you look like a complete fool. The problem with this mentality is that you're looking for absolutes here. Your argument is all about the assumption that vaccine should protect literally everyone who takes it. That's not reality with pretty much anything. If you take an advil to help relieve a headache, you don't get a 100% probability that that headache goes away, so why should you assume the same with the vaccine? There are unforunately going to be people who are vaccinated who will become deceased. However, that probabilty for those people dying is less than the probability of someone not vaccinated dying. That's what this is about rather than some idealitistic world that's just unattainable no matter what anyone does. That's also the problem with the stance a lot of the anti-vaxxers have: it's based on perfect absolutes rather than realistic ideas along with this fake notion of "rights" that ignore the rights of the majority of people who are not of such a stance.. Edited February 13, 2022 by The Lock 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted February 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, The Lock said: The problem with this mentality is that you're looking for absolutes here. Your argument is all about the assumption that vaccine should protect literally everyone who takes it. That's not reality with pretty much anything. If you take an advil to help relieve a headache, you don't get a 100% probability that that headache goes away, so why should you assume the same with the vaccine? There are unforunately going to be people who are vaccinated who will become deceased. However, that probabilty for those people dying is less than the probability of someone not vaccinated dying. That's what this is about rather than some idealitistic world that's just unattainable no matter what anyone does. That's also the problem with the stance a lot of the anti-vaxxers have: it's based on perfect absolutes rather than realistic ideas along with this fake notion of "rights" that ignore the rights of the majority of people who are not of such a stance.. he already said it, he'll be fine. What happens tothe people he might infect is not his business. There's this misconception that aside from hospitilizations non vaxxed and vaxxed are pretty much equal, we're not. Even with omicron vaxxed have some protection against infection and if we do get an infection, vaxxed carry a smaller viral load, are less infectious and are infectious for shorter durations. I'm tired of the false equivalency the unvaxxed seem to think exists 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharpshooter Posted February 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Jack Fig said: Like me? Still unvaxxed and doing great. My former co-worker (very fit, healthy guy ..... ski instructor), keeled over from a heart attack three weeks ago, 8 days after getting his booster. Dead at 55. Think he made the right decision? Post hoc ergo propter hoc. This is a fallacy in logic. And the fact that you haven’t gotten Covid, doesn’t mean you can’t or won’t. Stay unvaccinated if you want to. It’s your choice and right to. I just don’t agree with your choice as you could be another member of society that gets afflicted with it and clogs up an already overburdened social health care system. Your decision to stay unvaccinated isn’t, in my opinion, the smart one. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Post hoc ergo propter hoc. This is a fallacy in logic. And the fact that you haven’t gotten Covid, doesn’t mean you can’t or won’t. Stay unvaccinated if you want to. It’s your choice and right to. I just don’t agree with your choice as you could be another member of society that gets afflicted with it and clogs up an already overburdened social health care system. Your decision to stay unvaccinated isn’t, in my opinion, the smart one. Family history of heart disease is a big red flag (if that was the case). Plenty of other plausible reasons why a person got a heart attack at age 55, doesn't matter how seemingly "fit" you are. And the vaccine ain't going to protect you from heart attacks. Get a physical from your GP annually. Full bloodwork (the works) occasionally. Edited February 14, 2022 by NewbieCanuckFan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 hours ago, -DLC- said: I think some play a bit of a game here. It also really ticks me off when they trivialize something that's been so horrible for some. What a slap in the face. Sure, maybe take Alphonso Davies on that run with you. There's this thing called karma and I honestly hope, for their sake, it doesn't come knocking. Like the athletes of the world who have put out testimony about how this thing's struck them is somehow irrelevant. And their own personal health regiments are foolproof, as if these athletes don't follow programs (that would blow the average Joe or Jack away). We don't all have to agree but we should show some respect for those who've suffered (and died) from COVID. How lucky you are, and that's what it boils down to for those who do play with this fire. Hope they don't get burned. Do they ever read THOSE testimonies? The ones told from hospital beds by disbelievers who have regrets (or died before they had a chance to)? While I understand and agree with your thoughts, karma doesn’t work like that. Karma(something that I don’t believe in and has no reality based on evidence) isn’t something that is definitional where someone has something bad happen to them based on an action or inaction. Karma is used, incorrectly, way too much in Western society as a means to explain bad things happening to people. Karma is a religious word that has a different context than the way it’s been primarily used, ie., retribution/consequence by some supernatural referee. This is not what the word means, despite my agreement with your intention of thought/opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Jack Fig said: 'Hot tub people'. Sounds serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: For all we know, those protesters' dogma are peeing all over their karma. Dog-ma is just as gross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: While I understand and agree with your thoughts, karma doesn’t work like that. Karma(something that I don’t believe in and has no reality based on evidence) isn’t something that is definitional where someone has something bad happen to them based on an action or inaction. Karma is used, incorrectly, way too much in Western society as a means to explain bad things happening to people. Karma is a religious word that has a different context than the way it’s been primarily used, ie., retribution/consequence by some supernatural referee. This is not what the word means, despite my agreement with your intention of thought/opinion. I totally agree with your post. Most people are confused by the meaning of the word Karma. The definition of the word from Oxford languages as a noun " the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences" There are actually 3 forms of Karma, Prarabdha, Sanchita and Kriyamana/ Agami As you have rightly pointed out these are religious constructs. Man I wish the God thread was still going so I could expand on this post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: Dog-ma is just as gross. Dogma is a bloody good movie. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Western society has taken on an informal meaning of karma and it's perfectly ok to use it as such (in a what goes around comes around way). I'm sure most understood what I meant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 13 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Family history of heart disease is a big red flag (if that was the case). Plenty of other plausible reasons why a person got a heart attack at age 55, doesn't matter how seemingly "fit" you are. And the vaccine ain't going to protect you from heart attacks. Get a physical from your GP annually. Full bloodwork (the works) occasionally. Just shows you how dumb people can be. It's no wonder it's tough to educate everyone with this level of stupid gong around. Of course this scared little selfish guy is going to attribute a heart attack to the vaccine ... 3 weeks later, instead of you know ... a heart attack. Because he's the first healthy person to ever have a heart attack. Some people are just useless human beings. They get off by being difficult, especially if it's not affecting them personally, and even if it's killing other people. But you know they're doctors and such in their spare time so they know better. I think it actually gives them some sick sort of satisfaction to watch others lives in peril while they waltz around trying to feel superior to others. It's sickening is what it is. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Multiple teachers in my school who have tested positive a month or so ago are still taking sick days at least 3 times a week as they struggle to recover and most had mild too moderate symptoms. My response is "now you know what I've been dealing with for 2 years". There's a lot more to this virus than infection and isolating for a few days with mild symptoms. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, stawns said: Multiple teachers in my school who have tested positive a month or so ago are still taking sick days at least 3 times a week as they struggle to recover and most had mild too moderate symptoms. My response is "now you know what I've been dealing with for 2 years". There's a lot more to this virus than infection and isolating for a few days with mild symptoms. stawns is your district not allowing these people to take the necessary time off to completely recover or are they working partial weeks by choice/necessity($) hoping that they can make it through the week and then realizing they can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, Fanuck said: stawns is your district not allowing these people to take the necessary time off to completely recover or are they working partial weeks by choice/necessity($) hoping that they can make it through the week and then realizing they can't? no, they are.......we get 17 sick days a year and most of us have many more than that banked. Teachers don't like being away, so as soon as we feel a bit better and we're past pur "isolation period", we're back. However, some of the teachers who were infected are starting to see the reach this virus has. It's been an eye opener for some 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: they are such a disgustingly selfish country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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