[GetWellThread] Vancouver Canucks vs. Edmonton Oilers | April 16 | 6 p.m. | SNP

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10 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said:

I understand that, that’s what’s happening in Brazil, but as long as we can stay ahead of it there is no increased risk, only if we can’t.

We ain't off to a good start.

 

 

[gizmo2337]

There's contradicting evidence, but these vaccine's don't necessarily stop transmission. It's possible that you could still catch it after being vaccinated, pass it on and have mild or no symptoms. Nobody can really say one way or the other, we ARE the live research. On that thought, isn't this the second time Hawryluk had covid (variant the second time)?

Over 50% of Israel has been vaccinated now. I was hoping to see the death rates drop in comparison to infection rates, but the data doesn't look like that. Unexpectedly, the transmission seems to be dropping, so who knows? I don't even know what vaccine they are using over there?

 

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4 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said:

Sorry to hear that, this thing is wreaking havoc on everyone, I found out today a friend of the family committed suicide, he was really struggling with the lockdown and lost his business.

That's terrible....I'm so sorry to hear this.  My  sincere condolences.

 

Mental health issues take a toll...I wish he/she had reached out for help.  It's out there.  It's devastating when we lose them before they get a chance.

 

The struggle is real...I lost my job last March and it was super tough (no one looks after me but ... me).  Got work in October but it's part-time and I JUST got a new contract for August that'll move me to full time.   This thing's horrible in so many ways.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said:

We ain't off to a good start.

 

 

It's like 80% of the population has just decided that they're going to be that one kid in class who won't follow the rules and ruins free time for the entire class.

 

These people either don't get or don't care that it is them who is causing businesses to suffer, not the government, not the doctors.......though they do share some of the blame

[Ghostsof1915]

Just now, stawns said:

It's like 80% of the population has just decided that they're going to be that one kid in class who won't follow the rules and ruins free time for the entire class.

 

These people either don't get or don't care that it is them who is causing businesses to suffer, not the government, not the doctors.......though they do share some of the blame

Is that 80% the same ones that ate paste? 

[Hairy Kneel]

I was in a coma for 10 days in ICU; then three weeks in recovery ward. My son's symptoms was a bad cold/flu for 5 days and was back to normal and back doing rebar. I hope the boys  have the less intense effects as well. 

I'm hoping, because they are all younger they won't have the harsher type reaction. 

Hope they get proper contact tracing.  Our contact tracing led back to my son's stepson in school. 

Prayers for a speedy recovery. 

 

[Jaimito]

19 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said:

Problem is, you cant vaccinate everyone every year, at least with the flu vaccine only a small percentage get vaccinated.

Probably not everyone every year.  The vaccines all are protective vs severe disease. The variants mostly evade antibody neutralization. But they can't evade T cell immunity, which is needed to clear the infection. That is why almost all vaccines are 100% vs hospitalization and death. 

 

Even with the variants, get your vaccine when it's your turn. Even if infected, it may save you from being hospitalized or dying. 

 

Here's a graphic using test tube experiments from antibodies from people with one or two dose of the mRNA vaccines.  The orange one is  P1. Red is the South African variant. Despite all this, the vaccines still prevent severe disease. That is good news. 

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by Jaimito

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Is that 80% the same ones that ate paste? 

No, they're the ones who smear it all over their desk, their neighbors desk and the white board which means no more paste for the entire class

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1 minute ago, Jaimito said:

Probably not everyone every year.  The vaccines all are protective vs severe disease. The variants mostly evade antibody neutralization. But they can't evade T cell immunity, which is needed to clear the infection. That is why almost all vaccines are 100% vs hospitalization and death. 

 

Even with the variants, get your vaccine when it's your turn. Even if infected, it may save you from being hospitalized or die. 

 

Here's a graphic using test tube experiments from antibodies from people with one or two dose of the mRNA vaccines.  The orange one is  P1. Red is the South African variant. Despite all this, the vaccines still prevent severe disease. That is good news. 

 

So what is the dumbed down explanation of the difference in the mRNA and the viral vector?  Which would be the Astrazeneca.

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8 minutes ago, stawns said:

It's like 80% of the population has just decided that they're going to be that one kid in class who won't follow the rules and ruins free time for the entire class.

 

These people either don't get or don't care that it is them who is causing businesses to suffer, not the government, not the doctors.......though they do share some of the blame

It's a vicious cycle....the very people screaming about lockdowns/businesses closing, etc. are the ones causing them for the most part.  If everyone was on board, we'd be much more efficient in curbing these spikes.  People wanting to ignore the guidelines just push things further down the road.

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

51 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

In case anyone cares I'm pounding beers in the backyard while smoking a turkey.

 

Wish the boys get healthy but don't care about hockey right now! Just hope they get better.

Beers with some smoked turkey and salmon for me

 

 

[higgyfan]

47 minutes ago, Jack Fig said:

But mortality rates on the variant are unknown at this time. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9417987/Coronavirus-Brazils-Covid-death-rate-TRIPLED-people-20s-February.html

 

 

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Is that 80% the same ones that ate paste? 

I used to have a policy when I was coaching midget.  In practice there's no screwing around and no shooting pucks after whistles.  The same kid would shoot pucks just to be a dick so I made the rest of the team bag skate while he watched.  Then I stayed away from the dressing room after practice.

 

Not a nice thing to do and I'd probably be removed in this day and age, but it never happened again

[Ghostsof1915]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

I used to have a policy when I was coaching midget.  In practice there's no screwing around and no shooting pucks after whistles.  The same kid would shoot pucks just to be a dick so I made the rest of the team bag skate while he watched.  Then I stayed away from the dressing room after practice.

 

Not a nice thing to do and I'd probably be removed in this day and age, but it never happened again

Full Metal Hockey. 

[Dumb Nuck]

6 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's a vicious cycle....the very people screaming about lockdowns/businesses closing, etc. are the ones causing them for the most part.  If everyone was on board, we'd be much more efficient in curbing these spikes.  People wanting to ignore the guidelines just push things further down the road.

I blame the government, when they put all these limits on people and then go on vacations and keep flying people in that are infected they lose credibility and people stop caring. On average 3-4 international flights a day arrive in Vancouver with someone on board infected, they have been since the beginning. 
 

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/public-exposures-flights-tables-Current.pdf#page7

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Dumb Nuck

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Hmmm, found it (trying to learn so will share this info):

 

Pfizer/Moderna are rMNA (nucleic acid)

Astrazeneca is Viral Vector

 

[Patrik Laine]

Why couldn't the us govt And canadian govt give a vaccine to all the players in each league? The US just administered 4 million doses today averaging 3 million per day the last week. Yes they are cutting the line but who cares alot of people are stuck at home following the guidelines and would be nice to have a distraction that sporting events can bring. A small sense of normalcy. Damn I'm good I should run for prime Minister.

[Jack Fig]

17 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9417987/Coronavirus-Brazils-Covid-death-rate-TRIPLED-people-20s-February.html

 

 

I saw that one a few days ago. It comes back to the "study could not definitely link the rising death rate to the new variant emerging."

Might take a while to get verified data. 

[Dumb Nuck]

2 minutes ago, Patrik Laine said:

Why couldn't the us govt And canadian govt give a vaccine to all the players in each league? The US just administered 4 million doses today averaging 3 million per day the last week. Yes they are cutting the line but who cares alot of people are stuck at home following the guidelines and would be nice to have a distraction that sporting events can bring. A small sense of normalcy. Damn I'm good I should run for prime Minister.

I believe the Canadian teams all stated they would no jump the cue, there has been fallout after some US teams were vaccinated.

[Jaimito]

14 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

So what is the dumbed down explanation of the difference in the mRNA and the viral vector?  Which would be the Astrazeneca.

If your are asking about the differences in efficacy: The trials are not head to head trials, so efficacy % are not directly comparable.  The AZ trials were done in multiple countries later than mRNA trials, when the variants were emerging.  Different vaccine designs may induce responses better than others. Other factors may include dosage, interval between first and second (UK AZ trial showed 81% if given >12 weeks apart, but only 55% 4 wks apart), use of other ingredients to stimulate immune response (adjuvant). 

 

This video provides good explanation:

 

 

 

 

If you are asking the vaccine design differences: the delivery platform is different. One uses lipid particles with mRNA to deliver instructions on how to make the viral protein, which will train the immune system to recognize it, so that if you are infected by the real virus your body is already prepared.  AZ like Janssen, Sputnik, CanSino, are adenovirus vector based.  Adenovirus vector is a common cold virus that is made replication defective, and delivers instructions on how to make the spike protein to the cell. It has DNA for the spike protein, but it is temporary and the DNA cannot be integrated to your cell. Both vaccines don't stay in your body for a long time. They are degraded. Doesn't give your 5G, cause cancer or infertility. 

 

Here is a good video on explaining the different platforms :

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Jaimito