Popular Post Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) Good to hear both sides right? https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-news/vancouver-canucks-player-responds-to-lawsuit-alleging-sexual-misconduct-3861152 Virtanen denies the allegations “about what happened that evening,” adding “he did not physically force the plaintiff to have intercourse with him.” In his filed response, Virtanen “denies that the plaintiff expressed any indication, verbal or physical, that she did not want to engage in any sexual activity.” Adding, “the plaintiff, through her words and conduct indicated that she consented to the sexual activity that occurred.” Edited June 10, 2021 by Bertuzzipunch 4 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Crystal ball outlook. The social media messages will indicate the general intention to "get together" and it will be swept under the rug. A small "get lost" payment will happen with a NDA so we will never hear about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kootenay Gold Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Good to hear both sides right? It is but the response from Jake to this very serious allegation was expected. What else is he supposed to say in these circumstances. Hard to say how this all plays out but I do think Jake will be either bought out or moved this off season. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 I think her text messages and social media direct messages to him might save jake 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Kootenay Gold said: It is but the response from Jake to this very serious allegation was expected. What else is he supposed to say in these circumstances. Hard to say how this all plays out but I do think Jake will be either bought out or moved this off season. I expect him to tell the truth 4 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I think her text messages and social media direct messages to him might save jake I am certainly not privy to those alleged text messages so really can not comment one way or the other about their existence and if they do exist just what the messages were. it will be up to the courts to decide the outcome of this and any thing said one way or the other on CDC is just conjecture at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Kootenay Gold said: I am certainly not privy to those alleged text messages so really can not comment one way or the other about their existence and if they do exist just what the messages were. it will be up to the courts to decide the outcome of this and any thing said one way or the other on CDC is just conjecture at this point. Well regardless those messages should help find what the real truth is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tas Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Well regardless those messages should help find what the real truth is. not really though. even if she was planning to hook up with virtanen that night and the messages make that clear, it doesn't (or shouldn't) play any role in deciding whether she consented in the moment. hell, she has the right to stop consenting half way through if she wants. that being said, if she didn't make things clear, how can he be expected to know? these things are never black and white. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 not sure this needs its own thread, but interesting that he doesn't deny they met up. 4 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Well regardless those messages should help find what the real truth is. maybe? who knows. Interesting that the Canucks chose to change investigators for a firm with more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 The article mentioned "Virtanen is seeking special costs against the plaintiff". Anybody know what those "special costs" are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: The article mentioned "Virtanen is seeking special costs against the plaintiff". Anybody know what those "special costs" are? his legal fees probably. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: The article mentioned "Virtanen is seeking special costs against the plaintiff". Anybody know what those "special costs" are? Lost wages lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 Jake taking this position had to be expected. It seems like there was a willingness from both sides to meet, and she agreed to meet. Whether she only wanted things to go to a certain point & he forced it further is what it hinges on, its ultimately her story vs his. And even if your trying to get the "truth" - it could be the case the messages don't necessarily indicate her true feelings. Its gotta be a tough thing to prove in a court of law given the nature of what this is... Unless the messages are conclusive enough to firmly support for one side of the story. Its just a bad situation all around. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Lost wages lol Is he suspended without pay right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, vinny_in_vancouver said: Is he suspended without pay right now? I assume so but i dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: Is he suspended without pay right now? I think there's also a significant reputation damage. It's foolish not to hear his side of the story and simply side with the 'other'. There's A LOT of questions to be answered still. I really wonder what took him so long to say this outright, not that it would change how people would perceive him anyway. Many of the twitter warriors, for instance, insist that Virtanen is guilty - even before all the evidence has been laid out. I think it's also important that the criminal investigation is ongoing (not likely to get anything from it), alongside a civil one. This, to me, indicates that the accusations are not very strong. Far too much time has passed by (many reasons for this to happen, of course), which most certainly would not assist the accuser, with regards to the criminal aspect. And if there are texts that go back and forth AFTER the said incident, any rape claims could be nullified in court. Let's be clear though: in such a situation, that doesn't 'prove' that rape didn't happen. The only thing that would absolve Virtanen of all wrongdoing is if he wasn't there at all. Unfortunately, he was there. He put himself in that position. Very tricky. In my opinion, this is going to be dealt with on the civil side. And if Virtanen is considering countersuing, this could be a very messy civil case. Even dropping her lawsuit may or may not stop him from proceeding with a countersuit. At best, she's hoping that Virtanen will settle. That is likely her only way to 'win'. In the event that she lied or misrepresented her stuff, she's going to pay big time. Either way, Virtanen is going to get shipped out, no matter what. Such a terrible ending for a player that never could put it together. Edited June 10, 2021 by Dazzle 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: Is he suspended without pay right now? 17 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I assume so but i dunno. JV is on a "leave of absence". To me this means that he has been separated from the team which is a good idea. No mention of salary. I assume he is collecting it. 52 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: It is but the response from Jake to this very serious allegation was expected. What else is he supposed to say in these circumstances. Hard to say how this all plays out but I do think Jake will be either bought out or moved this off season. Do you think that Jake spoke to the media on the advice of his lawyer? I'd be willing to bet not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patel Bure Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2021 If Jake is found innocent, I hope he files a counter-lawsuit against her based on grounds of emotional distress, libel, slander, and the whole works. 1 2 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: JV is on a "leave of absence". To me this means that he has been separated from the team which is a good idea. No mention of salary. I assume he is collecting it. Do you think that Jake spoke to the media on the advice of his lawyer? I'd be willing to bet not. If he was smart (questionable), he would have consulted with his lawyer before speaking out about this allegation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 So basically the truth is either the girl is looking for a payday after Virtanen's signed that 5.1million contract and is in the gutters being on the shortleash this season. Or Virtanen did physically force the girl, aka rape. My gut feeling it is the first (pls dont crucify me). However this pans out Virtanen would take a lot of luck to get his career back on track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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