(proposal) Van & NYI..Would U?

[Nuxfanabroad]

In light of this PO's action & results, I mulled this deal outa' the blue. Let's tie up some loose ends/details to simplify the question:

 

- Virtanen situation is resolved(no charges)

- EP40 is signed by JB(Van fans rejoice)

- NYI protect Pulock & Mayfield at July ED, for their RhD certainty, going forward

 

Proposal:

Van: Quinn Hughes & Virtanen

NYI: Dobson & Beauvilier

 

Assuming the Isles have enough size in other D, they wouldn't mind a smallish PP-specialist. Also figuring Quinn's value is still much higher than ND's, we benefit with the imbalanced fwd swap.

 

Not hard-selling this. Just curious, do CDC'ers see this as near in value? Or is the value way off?

 

Last point is our likely cap-squeeze for this yr(Last F***ing yr of Lou & Lu) is pretty much settled & kosher, if such a deal was struck.

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by Nuxfanabroad

[Bertuzzipunch]

Absolutely not. Quinn is a superstar. We aint trading a superstar and then bitch about it for the next 15 years.

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Absolutely not. Quinn is a superstar. We aint trading a superstar and then bitch about it for the next 15 years.

So we will have to pay, what 12-14% of team cap ceiling to him? When things get ratcheted-up in spring, can you win with small blueliners who excel offensively?

 

I'm not trying to contradict for the sake of it. Do you feel these questions are worthless/pointless? Or is this particular yr(of sizeable D in vogue) just a one-off?

[Nuxfanabroad]

My own pov: If he'll sign a reasonable bridge(3 yr, about 6 mill per) then great. If he wants to break the bank, then deals like the above would be considered.

[Bertuzzipunch]

I think we can win with him, of course. Hes just one piece of a team and hell of a good one. We beat a st louis just a year ago who were loaded with big Dmen. We just need better players around him instead of slouches like edler and hamonic.

[Where's Wellwood]

32 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

So we will have to pay, what 12-14% of team cap ceiling to him? When things get ratcheted-up in spring, can you win with small blueliners who excel offensively?

 

I'm not trying to contradict for the sake of it. Do you feel these questions are worthless/pointless? Or is this particular yr(of sizeable D in vogue) just a one-off?

 

Pietrangelo as an established top pairing D UFA only got 8.8 million (10.8% of the cap) in a flat cap world.

 

Hughes as an RFA who can't be offersheeted,  with defensive deficiencies, isn't going to get anything close to that 

[King Heffy]

I personally wanted Dobson in the draft.  I'd do it, especially with the emergence of Rathbone.

[Bertuzzipunch]

11 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I personally wanted Dobson in the draft.  I'd do it, especially with the emergence of Rathbone.

[King Heffy]

4 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Noah Dobson is an excellent young defenseman who can play in all situations, and is a right handed shot.  He is a comparable value, just plays a different style.  Adding in a solid young player who can provide secondary scoring to the trade helps out our third line both now and in the future.  Guys like Dobson don't grow on trees either and you have to give to get.

[Bertuzzipunch]

21 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Noah Dobson is an excellent young defenseman who can play in all situations, and is a right handed shot.  He is a comparable value, just plays a different style.  Adding in a solid young player who can provide secondary scoring to the trade helps out our third line both now and in the future.  Guys like Dobson don't grow on trees either and you have to give to get.

So guys like hughes do grow on trees? We cant find secondary scoring unless we trade our franchise dman? Interesting 

[King Heffy]

5 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

So guys like hughes do grow on trees? We cant find secondary scoring unless we trade our franchise dman? Interesting 

And get a franchise dman back, who is the exact same age...

[Devron]

I like Dobson but after this season people really underestimate Hughes potential 

[N4ZZY]

I like Dobson as well, but I don’t know if I could do that trade. 

[John_Guest]

Figure out a way to get Dobson and keep Hughes, because wouldn't those two look good on either side of each other.

[BigTramFan]

4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Assuming the Isles have enough size in other D, they wouldn't mind a smallish PP-specialist. Also figuring Quinn's value is still much higher than ND's, we benefit with the imbalanced fwd swap.

 

Not hard-selling this. Just curious, do CDC'ers see this as near in value? Or is the value way off?

 

I would do the deal you propose and I don't think you are too far off in value. The question that no one knows the answer to is: can Hughes really become that dominant force on D? Or will he always be a defensive liability? Someone like Dobson is a much safer bet to be an all situations #1D in the league.

 

However, I can't see JB trading Hughes. He does project to be a superstar. It just remains to be seen if we can build a roster that wins cups with Hughes as our #1D. I don't know.

 

Anyway I also don't see the Isle's agreeing to this deal. I don't think Hughes fits their style and game plan. They like their D men to be big and be able to defend.

 

I believe they will lose Leddy to Seattle, which will help clear some cap space. But then they will need a cheapish LD to fill the gap (Salo not yet ready). They may target someone like Dunn to play on their 2nd pairing and PP1, and resign Greene for league minimum. Shame for them that they traded Toews.

 

Something like:

Pelech Pulock

Dunn Dobson

Greene Mayfield

(Aho)

 

They have some major contracts to pay for in Pelech, Beauvillier, Sorokin, Cizikas that need to be factored in. The return of Lee will be a major boost to their chances next season too.

[Nuxfanabroad]

13 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

I would do the deal you propose and I don't think you are too far off in value. The question that no one knows the answer to is: can Hughes really become that dominant force on D? Or will he always be a defensive liability? Someone like Dobson is a much safer bet to be an all situations #1D in the league.

 

However, I can't see JB trading Hughes. He does project to be a superstar. It just remains to be seen if we can build a roster that wins cups with Hughes as our #1D. I don't know.

 

Anyway I also don't see the Isle's agreeing to this deal. I don't think Hughes fits their style and game plan. They like their D men to be big and be able to defend.

 

I believe they will lose Leddy to Seattle, which will help clear some cap space. But then they will need a cheapish LD to fill the gap (Salo not yet ready). They may target someone like Dunn to play on their 2nd pairing and PP1, and resign Greene for league minimum. Shame for them that they traded Toews.

 

Something like:

Pelech Pulock

Dunn Dobson

Greene Mayfield

(Aho)

 

They have some major contracts to pay for in Pelech, Beauvillier, Sorokin, Cizikas that need to be factored in. The return of Lee will be a major boost to their chances next season too.

Thanks for reply..pretty solid reasoning that's hard to dispute.

 

I could see Lou Lamo wriggling outa' some contracts(LTIR?). With the new bldg in a key market, could also imagine the league likes this growing Isles ascent.

 

Then there's the NJ rivalry.. who may well wind up w/ the other Hughes Bros. Lamo could think back to his 90's teams, with Nieder/Rafalski types complemented by a mostly rugged D-core.

[Pears]

Honestly why do people think trading Hughes would be a good idea?

[Silky mitts]

Dobson is a great player, but you don't trade players like Hughes who has been setting records. 

[c00kies]

Dobson is a solid 2nd pairing d-man, but he isn't a two-way d-man that can be a leader on the top pairing.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

55 minutes ago, c00kies said:

Dobson is a solid 2nd pairing d-man, but he isn't a two-way d-man that can be a leader on the top pairing.

Good luck getting a legit #1D though.  Aren't 30 of them in the entire league & the ones that have them will only deal them by being paid a king's ransom.

Edited June 26, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan